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3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Nothing, IMO is without end. Corona epidemic will probably end one way or another just like the previous ones that weakened and didn't even have a vaccine. Even the Spanish flu ended and there was no vaccine for that either.

That's not to say that it will be eliminated- it will, IMO, be like the flu.

 

Poverty caused by lockdowns might cause more disaster than the virus.

 

So, fine.  The Spanish Flu last from Feb. 1918 to April 1920.  So, which is worse 12 weeks of expensive, total shutdown or another 14 months of the current, out-of-control pandemic, which also has a high economic cost?

 

China is Covid-free, including Wuhan.  The Wuhan lockdown lasted from Feb. 2 until April 8.  In 8 to 12 weeks life in the US could be normal or the death rate and economic costs could continue as they are right now.

 

 

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Not like a regular flu at all. They want masks and distancing to be permanent. None of that happened for regular flu or any other diseases, far as I know. I'm happy to go back to life as pre coro

eventually, everyone will copy sweden and move on as it was a year ago, but its bitter and humiliating for politicians around the world to admit they committed high treason on their own coun

Not to mention that they have destroyed their countries' already fragile economies, that will need years to recover, if ever...

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1 minute ago, cmarshall said:

So, fine.  The Spanish Flu last from Feb. 1918 to April 1920.  So, which is worse 12 weeks of expensive, total shutdown or another 14 months of the current, out-of-control pandemic, which also has a high economic cost?

 

China is Covid-free, including Wuhan.  The Wuhan lockdown lasted from Feb. 2 until April 8.  In 8 to 12 weeks life in the US could be normal or the death rate and economic costs could continue as they are right now.

 

 

You assume populations would accept 12 weeks- I think they would rebel. I hope we don't have to find out if I'm correct.

Are you unaware of the demonstrations against lockdowns? Google has the information.

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4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You assume populations would accept 12 weeks- I think they would rebel. I hope we don't have to find out if I'm correct.

Are you unaware of the demonstrations against lockdowns? Google has the information.

Most would.  Mask-wearing is overwhelmingly supported.  For the rest, that is what the National Guard is for.

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30 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

So, fine.  The Spanish Flu last from Feb. 1918 to April 1920.  So, which is worse 12 weeks of expensive, total shutdown or another 14 months of the current, out-of-control pandemic, which also has a high economic cost?

 

China is Covid-free, including Wuhan.  The Wuhan lockdown lasted from Feb. 2 until April 8.  In 8 to 12 weeks life in the US could be normal or the death rate and economic costs could continue as they are right now.

 

 

China is still locked down for international travel and is not covid free they still have cases everyday.The Spanish flu didn't have such rapid travel as we do now so that's not a very good comparison.Good luck in trying to get the whole world to shut down for 12 weeks without anybody leaving their homes,imagine how many people die around the world from natural causes in 12 weeks what do you do with the thousands of dead bodies during a twelve week lockdown?It's just not feasible to do a total lockdown for something no deadlier than the flu.

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20 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

China is still locked down for international travel and is not covid free they still have cases everyday.The Spanish flu didn't have such rapid travel as we do now so that's not a very good comparison.Good luck in trying to get the whole world to shut down for 12 weeks without anybody leaving their homes,imagine how many people die around the world from natural causes in 12 weeks what do you do with the thousands of dead bodies during a twelve week lockdown?It's just not feasible to do a total lockdown for something no deadlier than the flu.

 

I was considering the US, not the whole world, but if one-by-one the governments lockdown for up to 12 weeks, then the epidemic can be licked even without a vaccine.  The truculently anti-science governments like the UK and Brazil will be left to themselves.

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Been watching Singapore for a while. Most of the regular population, very compliant, very low average infection rate. 300k dorm workers of whom more than 1/6 were confirmed to have the infection. However this mass testing was carried out between May and August, ie well after it started. They are not sure how many might have been asympotomatic and not tested, or had recovered by the time of the tests, but it would be some but not in the 5 to 10 times range as elsewhere. Serological tests are required to determine this. But herd immunity could not be obtained according to Professor Cook unless about half of them had it. He said that more than a month ago, and was ruling it out at that time. Since then confirmed rates have dropped right down again but I haven't seen the serological test results. I'm not an expert, however this is interesting as a large scale testing has occurred of a particular mostly young and healthy and separate population, only 28 deaths out of 57k cases in Singapore, 95% of which were dorm workers. 

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I doubt a big nation like China is COVID-19 free. They will do their best to to hide any outbreaks to avoid more negative media attention.  

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On 10/16/2020 at 11:43 AM, vandeventer said:

With all these vaccines coming out and the great meds. that Trump took, this covid-19 should be history in 6 months or sooner. It's the covid-20 that worries me. I hope the new tourist won't be bringing it with them.

well they havent got long  for covid 20 to come in there's only 2 months left of 2020

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On 10/26/2020 at 5:17 PM, cmarshall said:

Most would.  Mask-wearing is overwhelmingly supported.  For the rest, that is what the National Guard is for.

 

Supporting military dictatorship to put down democratic freedoms. Nice

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On 10/26/2020 at 5:06 PM, cmarshall said:

So, fine.  The Spanish Flu last from Feb. 1918 to April 1920.  So, which is worse 12 weeks of expensive, total shutdown or another 14 months of the current, out-of-control pandemic, which also has a high economic cost?

 

China is Covid-free, including Wuhan.  The Wuhan lockdown lasted from Feb. 2 until April 8.  In 8 to 12 weeks life in the US could be normal or the death rate and economic costs could continue as they are right now.

 

 

 

I'll take the 14 months if it means I'm not locked up like a prisoner thanks.

 

Better to be free and on your feet than indoors.

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On 10/25/2020 at 6:42 PM, Jeffr2 said:

S. Korea did a lock down.  As you say, it's only one part of the process.  Spot on!!!!

 

I think Taiwan did a small lockdown of 1% of their population.  Both are gold standards as to handle the virus.  The US is the worst example.

 

https://www.axios.com/south-korea-covid-coronavirus-lockdown-30884b07-32d6-4ee6-b809-5f64498fab75.html

 

How about we just move on, stop testing, and live life instead of constantly obsessing about this?

 

You're stuck in this cycle of fear where you're obsessed by this virus. Do yourself a favour and forget about it - just get on with life.

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On 10/25/2020 at 6:07 AM, Jeffr2 said:

Exactly. That's what many covid19 deniers harp on about.  Lockdowns are just one part of the solution.  Not the only one.  Until the virus is under control, things won't get back to normal.

 

 

Things can get back to normal now if you stop obsessing about covid, stop testing, and just get on with life.

 

It is amazing how obsessed people get about covid. Stop letting it dictate your life. Forget it exists and move on!

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6 hours ago, sezze said:

It is not about the deaths , the deaths are clearly visible and hard numbers . It is about taking care of everybody in need . When hospitals are overrun , normal treatments cannot take place , even your broken leg from falling down a stair , sorry , hospital is full .  You need cancer treatment , sorry hospital is full , you baby got high fever , sorry no bed or doctor available .

The deaths are the ones we try to prevent , but yes basically we all die . We try to save the people ( at least , thats what normal people do ) , when they are in need of medical attention , and when they cannot have their normal visit , more deaths are counted which could be saved easy when having normal care .

Don't waste your time with that guy.  A covid denier and extremely selfish.

 

PatrickC: please don't quote my posts any more.  Put me on block, please.

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