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4 hours ago, ukrules said:

There's also something else worth considering which you may not be aware of, viruses compete against each other for control of the host and it's thought they prevent each other from infecting.......it's not known how or why they can do this but there's plenty of references to it if you dig deep enough into prior research - I suspect that therein lies a preventative cure for all colds and influenzas.

imo, that is an extra ordinary claim that requires extra ordinary evidence

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Not like a regular flu at all. They want masks and distancing to be permanent. None of that happened for regular flu or any other diseases, far as I know. I'm happy to go back to life as pre coro

eventually, everyone will copy sweden and move on as it was a year ago, but its bitter and humiliating for politicians around the world to admit they committed high treason on their own coun

Not to mention that they have destroyed their countries' already fragile economies, that will need years to recover, if ever...

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So the flu season has been had in Australia, there were 36 deaths, as opposed to 900 or so in 2019. The Covid deaths are 800+ (with Covid, including palliative care). From a quick look I cannot tell if there is any overlap in the demographic make up of the dead. But it seems reasonable to assume that at least some if not many of the 2020 crop would have been the same victims. I know for a fact my dad died of a respiratory disease in 2017 after being in a nursing home, but he was under palliative care, there was no attempt to treat it except with pain relief. I'm glad he didn't hang on too long, it was very painful to watch. If there is anything good to come out of this it may be increased scrutiny of infection control procedures in retirement facilities. I mean in 2017 there was signage but it was left very much up to the visitors. 

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A synopsis of where I stand, please dont call me a Covid denier, which is a grave insult in current times. I stand aware, I'm avoiding large gatherings, I'm not looking forward to travel, but I have to, to Covid proof my life, already a year has been lost, a second whilst lost needs to be when I take the action to secure my subsequent years, ie I'll be travelling shortly.

 

As far as rhe second wave goes. I look at the world figures and all I see is the original wave getting bigger and bigger, there is no global second wave. It is media hype. In the USA the graph is generally going up consistently with two earlier peaks, and the current one, noticeable but not defined enough imo to be called a second or third wave. It is a large country and population so there may be second waves down in the state by state figures. Europe is arguably a clear second wave. However the death rates across all those places have not mirrored the increases in infections. For instance in April when the global infections were at 90k per day, deaths were at 6k. The other day infections were 500k but deaths were 6k. Death rate does follow infection rate more clearly in some countries than others. For instance in India its almost contiguous, in Australia seemed to be about 3 weeks behind. There are probably reasons for that but it is misleading to say that it is a consistent measure.

 

Reinfection seems possible but I have not seen a statistically significant number yet, confirmed is 4 although that is estimated to be much higher, stress estimated. One would think that of the 34 million people who have recovered from Covid a few more than 4 would have been found to be reinfected, given that the general population rate is about .66%, that extrapolated would be 200k. And I'm not saying that as a prelude to suggesting herd immunity, which simply put would probably take too long without a vaccine. Lastly long Covid is still a work in progress, no one knows anything more than 9 or 10 months and I'll be interested to read what I can of the research as it matures. I dont believe any lockdown can be justified other than the imminent overload of the health system. I dont doubt that in some cases, this is not the case. For instance in NZ the public commentary is driving and endorsing the lockdowns even in tiny numbers of infections, anyone who tries to express doubt is howled down. Anyway its not all doom and gloom,  green shoots are everywhere. 

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12 minutes ago, Bluetongue said:

A synopsis of where I stand, please dont call me a Covid denier, which is a grave insult in current times. I stand aware, I'm avoiding large gatherings

In Thailand nobody has COVID, so no point in wearing a mask or avoiding other people if nobody has it.

Any other country ..... don't care as I'm not there.

 

Last night at the Loi Kratong festival, loads of people, a few had masks round their necks.

 

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oh ya, lots of "green shoots"...

 

Per Johns Hopkins Oct. 30 COVID update:

 

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The US CDC reported 8.83 million total cases, 227,045 total deaths, and 521,726 new cases in the past 7 days. The daily COVID-19 incidence continues to increase, now up to 81,599 new cases per day, representing a 22% increase in daily reported cases compared to last week and now surpassing the previous highest peak in mid-July.

 

France
On Tuesday October 27, 33,000 new cases were confirmed in France, at their highest level since April. French President Emmanuel Macron announced that the entire country will be re-entering a nationwide lockdown beginning today, October 30, and lasting until December 1.
 
Germany
Similar to France’s actions, German Chancellor Angela Merkel announced that Germany would be entering a nationwide partial lockdown. The lockdown period is set to begin on November 2 and end on November 30.
 
RUSSIA MASK MANDATE AND VACCINE The Russian government issued an order, effective Wednesday, mandating that masks be worn in all public spaces or where more than 50 people may gather.
 
etc etc etc.
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3 hours ago, Bluetongue said:

If there is anything good to come out of this it may be increased scrutiny of infection control procedures in retirement facilities.

 

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As pandemic raged and thousands died, government regulators cleared most nursing homes of infection-control violations

...the government inspectors deployed by CMS during the first six months of the crisis cleared nearly 8 in 10 nursing homes of any infection-control violations even as the deadliest pandemic to strike the United States in a century sickened and killed thousands, a Washington Post investigation found.
 

Those cleared included homes with mounting coronavirus outbreaks before or during the inspections, as well as those that saw cases and deaths spiral upward after inspectors reported no violations had been found, in some cases multiple times. All told, homes that received a clean bill of health earlier this year had about 290,000 coronavirus cases and 43,000 deaths among residents and staff, state and federal data shows.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/29/nursing-home-deaths-fines/

 

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On 10/15/2020 at 6:07 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Not like a regular flu at all. They want masks and distancing to be permanent. None of that happened for regular flu or any other diseases, far as I know.

I'm happy to go back to life as pre corona and take my chances, even though I'm over 70 and not particularly healthy.

As there are a sizable fraction of covid-infected people who are asymptomatic, one of whom may be *you* , sooner or later, you are willing to take other people's lives as part of your chances?  

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5 hours ago, max2u said:

As there are a sizable fraction of covid-infected people who are asymptomatic, one of whom may be *you* , sooner or later, you are willing to take other people's lives as part of your chances?  

I'm willing to die if that's what you are getting at. That's no secret as I've said it a few times on TVF. I'd rather die a free man than hiding in my room and wearing a mask everytime I go outside.

 

Sweden rocks.

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9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm willing to die if that's what you are getting at. That's no secret as I've said it a few times on TVF. I'd rather die a free man than hiding in my room and wearing a mask everytime I go outside.

 

Sweden rocks.

Who's hiding in their basement?  You're using an alt right talking point. 

 

As for masks, as you know, they are for the protection of others, not you.  So that's a very selfish statement.  I have rights also.  The right to not be killed by people with these thoughts.  Mask up when necessary until this is over.  Luckily, here, we're in very good shape.  Not so in the West.

 

P.S.  Sweden is also an alt right talking point.  They failed.  That's been proven.  Many times.

 

Look at the projection for Sweden.  Not good.  Then compare them to their nearest neighbors. 

 

https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden?view=total-deaths&tab=trend

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On 11/2/2020 at 3:48 PM, PatrickC said:

Stop running around with your arms in the air screaming and start a campaign to get junk food banned.

The only person running around screaming with their arms in the air on this thread is you.

 

Get a grip.

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On 11/2/2020 at 3:48 PM, PatrickC said:

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If I want to be positive I am going to be. If you want to be negative, that is on you.

 

You are denying CV19 is dangerous and suggesting you only care about yourself.  I'd say that's being negative.  I'm very positive about the future.  Just don't deny the reality of today, like you do.

 

Selfish.  What a horrible way to live your life.

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