Popular Post TeaMonkey 492 Posted October 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said: Deaths: Finland: 351 Norway: 278 Sweden: 5,918 Hmmm....doesn't look like the Sweden model did very well. Economically? They performed the worst also. Compare Sweden with Sweden. There is nothing exceptional about how many people have died so far this year. It’s been in the normal range. And they have not turned their country into a police state, shut down their hospitals to cancer treatment, caused untold mental health issues, caused mass unemployment. They have now gone back to normal, almost no one is wearing masks and they consider the rest of the world has gone mad. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Jeffr2 8,070 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 20 minutes ago, TeaMonkey said: Compare Sweden with Sweden. There is nothing exceptional about how many people have died so far this year. It’s been in the normal range. And they have not turned their country into a police state, shut down their hospitals to cancer treatment, caused untold mental health issues, caused mass unemployment. They have now gone back to normal, almost no one is wearing masks and they consider the rest of the world has gone mad. Normal except for those whose lives were ended early. And the thousands more suffering potentially life long consequences. And, their economy is doing worse than their close neighbors. Who's gone mad? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
polpott 5,240 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 24 minutes ago, TeaMonkey said: Compare Sweden with Sweden. There is nothing exceptional about how many people have died so far this year. It’s been in the normal range. Sorry you can't cope with reality. Compare Sweden with its immediate neighbours. Daily infection rates have been rising in Sweden since the end of August. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Brunolem 7,178 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, polpott said: Sorry you can't cope with reality. Compare Sweden with its immediate neighbours. Daily infection rates have been rising in Sweden since the end of August. Why would you want to compare Sweden ONLY with its close neighbors? Are they representative of the world at large? I don't think so. Sweden has privileged freedom, and there is often a price to pay for that, often much more than a few thousand deaths. As Ben Franklin said: "those who are ready to sacrifice their freedom in exchange for more security deserve neither one, nor the other". 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
polpott 5,240 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Just now, Brunolem said: Why would you want to compare Sweden ONLY with its close neighbors? Are they representative of the world at large? Because its the best like for like comparison. The only difference is that its neighbours have followed Covid guidelines Sweden hasn't. Would you have preferred that I compare it with Thailand? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
TeaMonkey 492 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said: Normal except for those whose lives were ended early. And the thousands more suffering potentially life long consequences. And, their economy is doing worse than their close neighbors. Who's gone mad? So when you have a normal amount of people dying this year how much life would they have saved? A few weeks or months? Is that worth the destruction of the economy, healthcare, freedoms, education that is happening in the rest of Europe? Long Covid is rare. If you are under 70 you have 0.05% chance of dying from it. Over 80% of people are asymptomatic. So very low risk. The average age of death is over 80 and in people who are already very ill. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Jeffr2 8,070 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 34 minutes ago, TeaMonkey said: So when you have a normal amount of people dying this year how much life would they have saved? A few weeks or months? Is that worth the destruction of the economy, healthcare, freedoms, education that is happening in the rest of Europe? Long Covid is rare. If you are under 70 you have 0.05% chance of dying from it. Over 80% of people are asymptomatic. So very low risk. The average age of death is over 80 and in people who are already very ill. Life expectancy increases almost every year. Health care gets better. Sp perhaps normal isn't really that good. Plus, pretty much every reputable organization says we are losing people way over normal. Due to covid. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
3NUMBAS 1,751 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) 'On the brink of disaster': Europe's Covid fight takes a turn for the worse Jon Henley in Paris , The Guardian•16 October 2020 https://uk.news.yahoo.com/brink-disaster-europes-covid-fight-131425056.html “It’s not a word I’ve heard in a long, long time,” an elderly Paris resident said, leaving her apartment in mask and gloves for an early expedition to the shops. “A curfew. That’s for wartime, isn’t it? But in a way I suppose that’s what this is.” Europe’s second coronavirus wave took a dramatic turn for the worse this week, forcing governments across the continent to make tough choices as more than a dozen countries reported their highest ever number of new infections. In France, 18 million people in nine big cities risk a fine from Saturday if they are not at home by 9pm. In the Czech Republic, schools have closed and medical students are being enlisted to help doctors. All Dutch bars and restaurants are shut. Austria, Belgium, the Czech Republic, France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Poland are among countries to have broken daily case records, prompting the World Health Organization to call for an “uncompromising” effort to stem the spread. Unfortunately, that requires making all but impossible compromises. Most European governments relaxed strict lockdowns over the summer to revive economies shattered by the pandemic’s first wave. The return of normal activity, from packed bars to new academic terms, has fuelled an exponential increase in infections. With infections across the continent breaking the barrier of 120,000 a day, authorities must now tighten restrictions once more to slow the spread of the disease – while doing all they can to avoid destroying already-jeopardised jobs and livelihoods. Edited October 17, 2020 by 3NUMBAS 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Jeffr2 8,070 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/10/15/how-excess-mortality-in-2020-compares-infographic/#74f7d91c67a2 Link to post Share on other sites
from the home of CC 9,260 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 7 hours ago, steelepulse said: Sweden deaths right in line with every other year. Covid hasn't changed overall death rates. Only thing to see here is 2019 had less deaths than normal. https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/ imo they basically committed manslaughter by barring generics in homes from receiving hospital care, instead putting them to sleep as you would a dog - when the dust settles on this there will be an inquest on this psychopathic behavior.. Link to post Share on other sites
3NUMBAS 1,751 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 10 hours ago, Henryford said: The average age of Covid deaths in the UK is 82. I don't it as any problem at all. especially if they have underlying health probs which has been noted before 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Jingthing 69,823 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, PatrickC said: And do we get upset at every other life that is ended early? Every death from a car crash or diabetes? Every alcohol related death, etc? Death is part of the cycle of life. I don't know why people think covid is such an exceptional event. It is just nature doing what nature does. Because its so massively infectious and public health measures can cut that down a lot. That's the difference. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
scammed 1,765 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Jeffr2 said: Normal except for those whose lives were ended early. And the thousands more suffering potentially life long consequences. And, their economy is doing worse than their close neighbors. Who's gone mad? you got that 180 degree wrong, swedens economy are doing better then their neighbors and the health care system arent preoccupied with covid at the expense of all other tasks, the loss of jobs are less then other nations although their economic collapse did have an effect on sweden too since its a net export country 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Jingthing 69,823 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, PatrickC said: And public health measures can't cut down diabetes? Or cancers? Governments could ban sugary or oily foods if they wanted. Yet they don't. And how about alcohol related deaths? Also could easily be reduced by banning booze. Yet governments don't. Sorry but what you wrote is not true. The reason we've reacted so strongly to this is because of a primal fear response. Over coming years, as people start to die from all the cancers not diagnosed during lockdowns, there needs to be a reckoning - Nuremberg type trials where leaders are brought to account for this. Classic diversionary what about-ism. The issue here is this pandemic which is about a massively infectious virus that if left to run unchecked as seems to be the current radical fascist political agenda (cull the herd) will indeed cause many millions of unneccesary deaths. If you want to talk about diabetes, start a new topic elsewhere. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
elliss 3,009 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) 22 hours ago, sevenhills said: More scaremongering from this criminal organisation, <deleted>. Name names . Who is controlling the Covid-19 , pandemic panic . Those who , controls the World wide media .. Super cure , expected soon , at a price ... Edited October 17, 2020 by elliss spelling 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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