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2 hours ago, AndrewMciver said:

 

SWEDEN - needleslyy killed more people than it's neighbouring countries like Norway, Denmark by a country mile.

 

SWEDEN - one of the highest death rates in the world. 

 

SWEDEN - whose economy is wrecked, a fall of GDP by 10% on par with the worst hit countries because people are too afraid too come out and low consumer confidence. 

 

SWEDEN - who has one big city with a population of 900,000 but a huge land mass. Compared to London with a population close to 10 million. 

 

SWEDEN - who government has massive low approval ratings and have no chance of staying in power. 

 

SWEDEN - where it is estimated only 25% of their population have the virus and thus no herd immunity.

 

SWEDEN - who believed in herd immunity, but the WHO are now saying immunity may only last 6 months to a year. Will Sweden repeat the herd immunity concept next year?

 

SWEDEN - who closed down schools, shut down bars, and many shops voluntarily closed as people were not coming.

 

DON'T BE LIKE SWEDEN.  

 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-29/sweden-s-economy-posts-surprise-upside-amid-lax-covid-19-plan

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coronavirus-swedens-gdp-actually-grew-in-the-first-quarter.html

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53664354

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Not like a regular flu at all. They want masks and distancing to be permanent. None of that happened for regular flu or any other diseases, far as I know. I'm happy to go back to life as pre coro

eventually, everyone will copy sweden and move on as it was a year ago, but its bitter and humiliating for politicians around the world to admit they committed high treason on their own coun

Not to mention that they have destroyed their countries' already fragile economies, that will need years to recover, if ever...

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2 hours ago, AndrewMciver said:

 

SWEDEN - needleslyy killed more people than it's neighbouring countries like Norway, Denmark by a country mile.

 

SWEDEN - one of the highest death rates in the world. 

 

SWEDEN - whose economy is wrecked, a fall of GDP by 10% on par with the worst hit countries because people are too afraid too come out and low consumer confidence. 

 

SWEDEN - who has one big city with a population of 900,000 but a huge land mass. Compared to London with a population close to 10 million. 

 

SWEDEN - who government has massive low approval ratings and have no chance of staying in power. 

 

SWEDEN - where it is estimated only 25% of their population have the virus and thus no herd immunity.

 

SWEDEN - who believed in herd immunity, but the WHO are now saying immunity may only last 6 months to a year. Will Sweden repeat the herd immunity concept next year?

 

SWEDEN - who closed down schools, shut down bars, and many shops voluntarily closed as people were not coming.

 

DON'T BE LIKE SWEDEN.  

 

 

Cool story bro, did you re-imagine those numbers?  LOL

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9 hours ago, scammed said:

you got that 180 degree wrong, swedens economy are doing better then their neighbors and the health care system arent preoccupied with covid at the expense of all other tasks,

the loss of jobs are less then other nations although

their economic collapse did have an effect on sweden too since its a net export country

Not true.  Not sure where you're getting your news from?

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-sweden-gdp-falls-8pc-in-q2-worse-nordic-neighbors-2020-8

 

Sweden's GDP slumped 8.6% in Q2, more sharply than its neighbors despite its no-lockdown policy

 

The fall is sharper than its neighbors — Denmark registered a 7.4% fall, and Finland a 3.2% fall. Statistics suggest Norway also fared better than Sweden.

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9 hours ago, PatrickC said:

 

And public health measures can't cut down diabetes? Or cancers? Governments could ban sugary or oily foods if they wanted. Yet they don't. And how about alcohol related deaths? Also could easily be reduced by banning booze. Yet governments don't.

 

Sorry but what you wrote is not true. The reason we've reacted so strongly to this is because of a primal fear response. Over coming years, as people start to die from all the cancers not diagnosed during lockdowns, there needs to be a reckoning - Nuremberg type trials where leaders are brought to account for this.

Diabetes and cancer don't act like this.  Impossible to compare CV19 to other health issues, or even the seasonal flu.  Though many CV19 deniers try.

 

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19 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Not true.  Not sure where you're getting your news from?

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-sweden-gdp-falls-8pc-in-q2-worse-nordic-neighbors-2020-8

 

Sweden's GDP slumped 8.6% in Q2, more sharply than its neighbors despite its no-lockdown policy

 

The fall is sharper than its neighbors — Denmark registered a 7.4% fall, and Finland a 3.2% fall. Statistics suggest Norway also fared better than Sweden.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-29/sweden-s-economy-posts-surprise-upside-amid-lax-covid-19-plan

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coronavirus-swedens-gdp-actually-grew-in-the-first-quarter.html

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53664354

 

the rest of the world collapsed the moment they shut down economy while the swedish economy grew, but the world being interconnected and the swedish economy depending on exports, it was bound to have a negative impact on sweden, after some lag

to get the effect of the rest of the worlds

disastrous policy

 

 

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10 minutes ago, scammed said:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-29/sweden-s-economy-posts-surprise-upside-amid-lax-covid-19-plan

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coronavirus-swedens-gdp-actually-grew-in-the-first-quarter.html

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53664354

 

the rest of the world collapsed the moment they shut down economy while the swedish economy grew, but the world being interconnected and the swedish economy depending on exports, it was bound to have a negative impact on sweden, after some lag

to get the effect of the rest of the worlds

disastrous policy

 

 

So, basically if they would have shut down they would have saved lives, but by not shutting down they lost lives and their economy suffered.   Do you see the problem with your reasoning?

 

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10 minutes ago, scammed said:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-29/sweden-s-economy-posts-surprise-upside-amid-lax-covid-19-plan

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/29/coronavirus-swedens-gdp-actually-grew-in-the-first-quarter.html

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53664354

 

the rest of the world collapsed the moment they shut down economy while the swedish economy grew, but the world being interconnected and the swedish economy depending on exports, it was bound to have a negative impact on sweden, after some lag

to get the effect of the rest of the worlds

disastrous policy

 

 

Well put.  They initially did OK.  But like you say, we live in a global society.  Impossible to escape that now.

 

Sadly, the covid deniers point to Sweden as a success.  It's not.  No easy answers these days.

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1 minute ago, Credo said:

So, basically if they would have shut down they would have saved lives, but by not shutting down they lost lives and their economy suffered.   Do you see the problem with your reasoning?

 

Their experiment failed.  Hopefully, no country is stupid enough to try herd immunity! LOL

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9 minutes ago, Credo said:

So, basically if they would have shut down they would have saved lives, but by not shutting down they lost lives and their economy suffered.   Do you see the problem with your reasoning?

 

swedens economy didnt suffer as much as the lockdown nations,

the internal market is still somewhat unaffected, and that may well in the end save more lives, they arent isolated and destitute

and that is a good thing for public health and quality of life.

you need to look at this from a holistic perspective or you fall into a logical fallacy,

covid victims arent the only people that count and not the only one suffering,

they make up a fraction of a percent and shouldnt dominate policy

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10 minutes ago, scammed said:

swedens economy didnt suffer as much as the lockdown nations,

the internal market is still somewhat unaffected, and that may well in the end save more lives, they arent isolated and destitute

and that is a good thing for public health and quality of life.

you need to look at this from a holistic perspective or you fall into a logical fallacy,

covid victims arent the only people that count and not the only one suffering,

they make up a fraction of a percent and shouldnt dominate policy

Compared to their nearest neighbors, Sweden's economy did worse.  Impossible to compare it to any other countries.  Just doesn't make sense.

 

You are right, covid victims aren't the only people suffering.  Though many of us feel it's a bit selfish to say their lives and health isn't more important than others rights to go out without masks and social distancing.

 

No easy answers here.  The virus is back raging across the US and Europe.  Mainly due to the general population ignoring their health departments recommendations.

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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/17/health/us-coronavirus-saturday/index.html

 

'A harrowing time.' Ten states reported their highest number of new coronavirus cases on Friday

 

Ten states reported their highest single-day tallies of new Covid-19 infections Friday, and the country reported its highest one-day total since July, as experts say a dangerous fall surge of coronavirus infections is well underway.

"This really is a harrowing time, and people have to be careful," epidemiologist Dr. Abdul El-Sayed told CNN on Saturday.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/16/europe/europe-coronavirus-records-intl/index.html

 

European nations smash Covid-19 records as WHO warns daily deaths could surpass April peak

 

Concern is mounting in Europe as countries smash records for daily coronavirus cases and the World Health Organization warns that the daily death toll on the continent could reach five times its April peak within months.

Countries that managed to contain infection rates through spring lockdowns and began relaxing measures are watching the virus return with a vengeance, with Germany, France and the Czech Republic all reporting record case numbers in the past two days.
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On 10/17/2020 at 2:29 AM, Max69xl said:

FYI, covid-19 is just the last corona virus strain. There are several others, and they haven't gone anywhere. They together with the common flu kills hundreds of thousands world wide every year. You might at your age die from the flu instead of the Covid-19. 

Indeed, but would my death cert say flu or covid?

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45 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Indeed, but would my death cert say flu or covid?

If you had flu and Covid-19 at the same time that would be a reasonable question.

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