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SURVEY: Digital Nomads--Good for Thailand or not?


SURVEY: Digital Nomads--Good for Thailand or not?  

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I find it strange anyone could be against digital nomads and yet the poll shows 1/3rd are against them. Who cares if they don't pay taxes, DN's draw in money from other countries doing legal work and spend it in Thailand. Compare that to an English teacher who makes money off Thai's and it gets taxed and spent--not as good. And far better than $0 tourists or skint retirees. DN's are best for Thailand because loads of new money pours into the hands of people that need it and it happens without taking anyone's job. Free money, no downside.

 

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Money being spent and shared locally creating jobs for others is always a good thing.

No, young people should be forced to freeze back home until they reach retirement age

They are an irrelevance.

Would this be Smart Visa Lite?

 

All the benefits, half the paperwork.

 

 

 

It's easy to throw out ideas, it's another thing to present the case with solid details, including implementation.

 

Khun korn loves to throw out ideas.

 

 

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1 hour ago, canopy said:

I find it strange anyone could be against digital nomads and yet the poll shows 1/3rd are against them. Who cares if they don't pay taxes, DN's draw in money from other countries doing legal work and spend it in Thailand. Compare that to an English teacher who makes money off Thai's and it gets taxed and spent--not as good. And far better than $0 tourists or skint retirees. DN's are best for Thailand because loads of new money pours into the hands of people that need it and it happens without taking anyone's job. Free money, no downside.

 

"Free money, no downside", you mean for the digital nomad? I would agree with that. 

 

Every time there is money extracted from a market, the money is gone for others. Think of the Amazon's of the world.

 

There are legit Thai bloggers, and these nomads unlawfully steal income from them. Seems a big downside to me, among many others. 

 

What I would do if I was Thailand is flag the largest vloggers with mug shots at airports and entry points. You can't enforce at a small level. You make sure they understand that their multimillion view content created in Thailand requires the appropriate work permit. 

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2 hours ago, sucit said:

"Free money, no downside", you mean for the digital nomad? I would agree with that. 

 

Every time there is money extracted from a market, the money is gone for others. Think of the Amazon's of the world.

 

There are legit Thai bloggers, and these nomads unlawfully steal income from them. Seems a big downside to me, among many others. 

 

What I would do if I was Thailand is flag the largest vloggers with mug shots at airports and entry points. You can't enforce at a small level. You make sure they understand that their multimillion view content created in Thailand requires the appropriate work permit. 

Bloggers/vloggers/youtubers/adverts(influencers)/backpackers etc drinking expensive coffee around cafe's are a very visible minority. The vast majority of remote workers/digital nomads (2 often conflated terms) are working professionals, we just have the luxury of not being tied down to a specific workplace. I, for example, consult for American IT companies online. Easy for me to live and work anywhere with a decent internet connection.

 

All my USD have to be transferred to my Thai bank account, so it's a continual supply of fresh USD to the Thai current account surplus, and there's a lot of THB cash spent here every month. Unless those Thai's are eligible to work in the US, speak English fluently and have expertise and qualifications for scientific and technical roles in IT, then i'm not taking a job from a Thai.

 

Isn't that similar to a retiree? There are no jobs taken from Thai's and there's a lot of free cash getting injected into the economy. Most of us are insured, or we have insurance from employers. The only difference is we might live a bit longer than them!

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10 hours ago, MRToMRT said:

But doesn't everyone? 

Those nomads bring the income from outside Thailand, that's the difference to common somchai.

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3 hours ago, canopy said:

I find it strange anyone could be against digital nomads and yet the poll shows 1/3rd are against them. 

There's a saying in my native Finland: "Envy takes even the fish from the water". As long as nobody else can have anything, those that got nothing are happy. Socialism is great.

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Apart from the question being poorly worded, it is also the wrong question to ask.

 

Most digital nomads contribute nothing to the local economy, do not lead to job creation etc. - 

so no, not good for Thailand in that regard.


The more important question to ask is whether Thailand is suitable/good for digital nomads.

In the current climate, also no, largely due to the ridiculous visa requirements in place.

 

 

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i see a different side to this question.if i was a dig nomad why would i wish to nomad here in comparison to other places where the welcome mat is out?what has this place to offer that many others dont?a myriad of BS thats for sure an unwelcoming snarl and a look at the inner workings of your whole life,think ill pass.

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On 10/19/2020 at 2:43 PM, LNKDES1 said:

True, but the number of retired expats unable to return should be a greater priority. They would spend much more money than the nomads, as their numbers would be far higher. 

One is not exclusive of the other.  Two different topics.

But agree expats should be addressed BEFORE them letting in special new tourists as they are now.

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32 minutes ago, varun said:

Most digital nomads contribute nothing to the local economy, do not lead to job creation etc. - 

so no, not good for Thailand in that regard.

That could change if they were allowed to start as one-man-bands. Some could lead to start-ups, then incubators, then to lucrative businesses hiring Thais. It's a real opportunity to bring some entrepeneurship into the country. Look at Singapore and the start-up scene there (although lately the Singapore Core has put a damper on that).

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What are Digital Nomads?

 

Well, first of all, "digital" in this context means, that everything can be and is done via the Internet. In more detail, it would mean, whatever revenue is created, it is by commute to work by starting up a pc/laptop/phone. I guess everybody has an understanding of that

 

Nomads is a very archaic word and it described people who followed the prey wherever it went and in fact, people, without a fixed and static home. Nowadays, the word can be more widely used, f. ex. you could call anybody who works/live out of their country for a period of time a nomad. There are seasonal workers from Thailand who follow the work around the world and end up in Norway on farms and in Dubai on scaffolds. These are more modern nomads.

 

So, you have your digital nomad. Everything described above fits them and additional to that, they are mostly very good educated, in a younger age bracket (20-35) and I would attest them higher self-confidence as they are much more independent in their choice of work (and foremost workplace) and if they succeed, they succeed because of their own skill and that gives you an extreme boost. Many of them are earning more than the average wage in the USA and probably to same degree in EU. Of course there are those who barely make ends meet, but that is somehow how capitalism works, we all fight, with different odds based on many factors, for the same cake. Not everybody can be that guy who flies to the moon.

 

If you are reading about the topic, check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_traveler - I think "PT" is basically the origin of the digital nomad and it is a fantastic way, of doing things, even though you get the hate from people who were/are bound to the location of their workplace.

 

Why would it be good to have them in a country?

 

Well, the same question would apply to any human, who is not in their country of origin right now. If we think from a nationalist point of view, we could agree, that we can generalize those "outsiders" as one group and say that they shouldn't be in our country. But let's not dive into that topic. What specifically applies to digital nomads is, that they are able to support themselves, creating additional income within the economy, creating a positive image of the country they are in, attracting more digital nomads, create a basis for exchange of knowledge, they are generally not staying in that country forever, and still they might even become stationary and as they are those type of personalities who takes more risk, create local businesses who in fact hire local citizens.

 

So, to summarize it. Digital nomads are absolutely a good thing for every country and if you regulate it with f. ex. easy access visas with low requirements and low bureaucracy you can call your country a country who has adapted to a changing world. Thailand is not one of them.

 

 

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19 hours ago, DrTuner said:

That could change if they were allowed to start as one-man-bands. Some could lead to start-ups, then incubators, then to lucrative businesses hiring Thais. It's a real opportunity to bring some entrepeneurship into the country. Look at Singapore and the start-up scene there (although lately the Singapore Core has put a damper on that).

Well, there already is a path in place for that via BOI

At the end of the day, it's all about the money, however you slice it.

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On 10/21/2020 at 9:24 AM, FritsSikkink said:

Would be good if they pay tax.

Why?

 

Surely they should be paying tax to the country in which their income is derived? Not the country they are living in.

 

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14 hours ago, Chris.B said:

Why?

 

Surely they should be paying tax to the country in which their income is derived? Not the country they are living in.

 

No they should pay tax in the country they are working and living in.

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