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There will be no downside to Brexit, only considerable upside. David Davis   The day after we vote to leave we hold all the cards and can choose the path we want. Michael Gove

Why should the EU negotiate with an ex-member, that voted to leave ? They should let Britain stand outside in the cold for twenty or twenty-five years. Then maybe let them back in, if they ask nicely.

Hilarious so if  those 27  countries  all had an 3  trillion economy it should   be  81   trillion instead of the paltry 18.4  trillion

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1 hour ago, Tofer said:

I wouldn't  hold your breath Jonny.

 I have answered it. The facts obviously confounded him so much that all @JonnyF could do is respond with a childish laugh emoji!


Now, how about you answering one for a change' a reminder of the latest:

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:
10 hours ago, Tofer said:

Ah, but they are UK trade deals now, independent of the EU's protectionist levies and taxes.

 As they are merely transfers of EU trade deals then any levies and taxes contained therein are still extant.


But tell us, what are/were these EU protectionist levies and taxes?


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14 minutes ago, david555 said:



Barnier urged not to be intimidated as Brexit talks enter 'final few days'

French government tells EU chief negotiator to remember that UK needs a deal more than the EU


Daniel Boffey in Brussels

Fri 27 Nov 2020 13.31 GMT

First published on Fri 27 Nov 2020 09.44 GMT


The French government has urged Michel Barnier not to be intimidated in the Brexit standoff with Downing Street, as his British counterpart hinted at pressure on him to end the talks.


During a briefing on Friday, the EU’s chief negotiator advised ambassadors that he would resume the negotiations in London, despite his threat to pull out earlier in the week.


“But he was clear that things are entirely stuck,” said an EU source. Barnier’s travel plans appeared to be “driven more by a wish at the highest levels of the European commission to negotiate until the bitter end than actual progress on the ground”, the source added.



The eu showing their true colours

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3 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Quite. TM was looking to ditch the ECHR after brexit, another case of the UK going back on it's word.


Theresa May will consider axeing the Human Rights Act after Brexit, despite promising she is “committed” to its protections, a minister has revealed.

The government will decide on the future of the landmark legislation once “the process of leaving the EU concludes”, a letter to a parliamentary inquiry says.


Due to the misuse of the human rights act hope it do,es go.

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2 hours ago, sandyf said:

What part of this statement did you find difficult:

"the government are very reluctant to say what brexit has already cost the nation."


Your comparison is delusional, business plans are based on known profit margins, brexit was based on the unknown.

The years have proved how unrealistic the unknown actually was and the plan will become an albatross around the neck of future generations.

Thought so. No source. Just your biased opinion.  


Thanks for confirming what I already knew.

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17 hours ago, david555 said:

As lately they started with changing laws and shortcutted judges power ....mr Tofer ....google could explain you that ...

1 example ... more to find ...you really think E.U. (even you dont like..) just start something anyhow ?

Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orban investigated over €2m EU funding spent on 'absurd' vintage train line (telegraph.co.uk)


Sorry, I'm not being critical of your command of the English language as you're obvious not of English origin. But I cannot make any sense of your post, therefore I have no comment.

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19 hours ago, placeholder said:

You don't seem very concerned about the suppression of human rights including democracy in those 2 nations.


I thought that was a consideration for the EU court of Human Rights, not the EUCJ, as you quite rightly previously pointed out when I got the 2 confused.

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5 minutes ago, Tofer said:


I thought that was a consideration for the EU court of Human Rights, not the EUCJ, as you quite rightly previously pointed out when I got the 2 confused.

That wasn't me. But I don't see what jurisdiction has to do with supporting these 2 violators of democratic norms. They're the ones making it an issue.

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19 hours ago, 7by7 said:


The usual Brexiteer response when challenged on a false statement they have made. You are unable to name a single UK criminal who has been released by the ECJ because, as the link I provided to the role of the ECJ proves, there are none and never have been!


However, you began with


It is not I who is displaying ignorance; it is you.


By 'EUC of human rights' I assume that you mean the European Court of Human Rights. This is not a court of the European Union and never has been. It is the court of the Council of Europe. Brexit will have zero effect on our membership of the CoE.

Winston Churchill first suggested such a council in Parliament in 1943, and again in his Zurich speech of 1946. It was brought into being by the 1949 Treaty of London, the signatories to and so original members being Belgium, Denmark, France, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden and the United Kingdom. 


The CoE now has 47 member states, including all 27 EU members. 

As already said, the ECHR and it's court are a function of the CoE, not the EU.


How many UK criminal convictions have been overturned by the ECtHR? 


Well, from Full Fact in September 2015.

 But that only counts the cases which actually reached the court; most are dismissed before that stage is reached. UK loses 3 out of 4 European human rights cases? More like 1 in 50, actually



Point taken, I confused the 2. Happy now  -  I was wrong. A phrase we'll never hear from you I suspect.


Having said that, on much the same subject - Deportation of the murderer Learco Chindamo (Italian national) was prevented by the EU Freedom of Movement Law - The Citizens Directive 2004. Leaving the victims wife Frances Lawrence "facing up to a lifetime haunted by her husbands killer because his human rights are considered more important than her own".


Another issue being freedom of movement across borders, which the EU have no effective policy towards illegal entry. The Express wrote, "Brussels paves the illegal immigrants road to UK by ruling they can't be detained" - Ghanaian national Selina Affum using a fake passport attempting to enter the UK could not be locked up or detained pending deportation proceedings as ruled by the ECJ.

So hear we have the EU Court of Justice not preventing, i.e. aiding, the illegal immigrants 'criminal activities', in their attempts to cross illegally to the UK, aside from perpetuating the criminal and life threatening trafficking gangs activities. Not to mention the French's aiding and abetting the channel crossing of illegal migrants by escorting them as far as British waters in the Channel. Now I understand why the UK Home Office is frustrated in their efforts to stop this activity and return illegal migrants, thanks also to the lefty lawyers using these laws to prevent it. Not for much longer thank goodness...


So there you have it, the EU are not so lilly white as you would have us believe.

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