Brexit brinkmanship: Johnson says prepare for no-deal, cancels trade talks

[dimitriv 2,078]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

You havn't answered my question, I'll repeat it, "is Macrons insistance on 100% fishing rights to our waters acceptable" yes or no?

 

I answered your question. It can be part of a deal. Macron asks one thing, and in return the UK fishermen can sell their fish to the EU. Selling to the EU is a favor the UK can get, or not if there is no deal. I really don't see the problem. The UK is independent now, so they have the right to refuse this.

 

Macron didn't say that he has warships stand-by to let French fishermen fish in UK waters. He just asks politely, and the UK can refuse. So they did. And now the UK fishermen will lose their jobs.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 17 by dimitriv

[dimitriv 2,078]

5 minutes ago, bodga said:

I see 20 weak  countries  bailed  out by a  very few stronger  ones, how do you see that

 

And the UK is not a weak country?  Their economy is similar to Spain, Italy etc.

[luckyluke 3,786]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

You havn't answered my question, I'll repeat it, "is Macrons insistance on 100% fishing rights to our waters acceptable" yes or no?

It is not that simple.

It all depends what France ( the E.U.) is ready to give the U.K. in lieu of. 

Everything has a price. 

Of course if the E.U. isn't prepared to give anything of substance, it will be completely unacceptable for the U.K..

[vogie 23,656]

15 hours ago, dimitriv said:

 

I answered your question. It can be part of a deal. Macron asks one thing, and in return the UK fishermen can sell their fish to the EU. Selling to the EU is a favor the UK can get, or not if there is no deal. I really don't see the problem. The UK is independent now, so they have the right to refuse this.

 

Macron didn't say that he has warships stand-by to let French fishermen fish in UK waters. He just asks politely, and the UK can refuse. So they did. And now the UK fishermen will lose their jobs.

It is not acceptable the French controlling our waters, end of. 

[BritManToo 43,902]

17 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

And the UK is not a weak country?  Their economy is similar to Spain, Italy etc.

Apparently not, it's in the world top 10, 6th largest in the world out of 173 countries.

https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/

Edited October 17 by BritManToo

[izod10 723]

37 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

 

Exactly. Close the tunnel, cancel all flights, nothing in, and nothing out. Let them trade with the US and Australia, because it seems that's the only thing that will make them happy.

 

I am so tired of the UK.

 

 

You know the answer then.

   EU were offering UK little more than WTO terms,the UK have trump card here..Eire.  Whatever the EU determines to hamper trade the UK recipricates on Eire. cost the EU aplenty

[dimitriv 2,078]

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Apparently not, it's in the world top 10, 6th largest in the world out of 173 countries.

https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/

 

I am not sure if you can be proud that the UK economy is bigger than the Luxembourg economy.

 

Divide the size of the economy by the number of people living in the UK and you will see that 1/3 is missing compared to some other EU countries. 

 

The UK is a weak country, income of people is less than in many EU countries. 

 

[dimitriv 2,078]

10 minutes ago, vogie said:

It is not acceptable the French controlling our waters, end of. 

 

You are right, the UK has the right to refuse. And in return the EU refuses to give the UK the right to sell fish to the UK. So 75% of UK fishermen will lose their job very soon.

 

 

[bodga 6,505]

27 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

 

And the UK is not a weak country?  Their economy is similar to Spain, Italy etc.

its  not down in the gutter  like many of those other countries that dont even get close to  3 trillion

[vogie 23,656]

16 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

It is not that simple.

It all depends what France ( the E.U.) is ready to give the U.K. in lieu of. 

Everything has a price. 

Of course if the E.U. isn't prepared to give anything of substance, it will be completely unacceptable for the U.K..

But these are trade talks, we wish to buy and sell to the EU and vice versa, how simple is that. The complications set in when each of the 27 nations that makes up the EU are pulling in different directions, they cannot decide between themselves the best way to procede with these talks. 

They are not used to someone like Boris saying 'no', the last four years has been a total waste of time, we all knew that you cannot negotiate with an organisation like the EU, the sooner we walk the better and Macron will go down in history as the man that broke the EU.

[BritManToo 43,902]

Just now, dimitriv said:

The UK is a weak country, income of people is less than in many EU countries. 

Where does your home country rank?

Don't really see how any country in the top 20 could be considered 'weak'.

And if the UK is 'weak', how come it was expected to contribute 25% of the EU funding.

Isn't the EU supposed to be funding the weaker countries?

 

If it were up to me (luckily it isn't), I'd be conscripting all the young Brits and preparing for a war with Europe.

It seems to be the only game the Germans and French understand, and we always beat them at it.

[Victornoir 1,158]

15 minutes ago, vogie said:

You havn't answered my question, I'll repeat it, "is Macrons insistance on 100% fishing rights to our waters acceptable" yes or no?

As said before, fishing is Macron's bait to get no-deal.

Apart from certain German manufacturers, the EU has no advantage in a trade agreement with its former outgoing partner. The objective is to take over the European part of UK financial activities, to eliminate a car competitor and to tax all UK exports.

In the other way, imports will also be taxed but it is the British consumer who will pay.

I also believe that Barnier had no-deal as unofficially mission and that he brilliantly achieved his goal.

[vogie 23,656]

3 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

 

You are right, the UK has the right to refuse. And in return the EU refuses to give the UK the right to sell fish to the UK. So 75% of UK fishermen will lose their job very soon.

 

 

No mention of the French fishermen that will lose their jobs I see, you know the ones that Macron promised to protect. The problem with Macron that his arrogance and his ego is bigger than the Eiffel Tower.

[OneMoreFarang 24,589]

1 hour ago, rooster59 said:

Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Friday it was now time to prepare for a no-trade deal Brexit

And I thought they are prepared since years.

Didn't those UK politicians think about what they want before they promoted Brexit?

And wasn't it their responsibility to plan and prepare for Brexit after the people voted for it 4 years ago.

The EU's position didn't change much in all that time.

Amazing UK.

[BritManToo 43,902]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

No mention of the French fishermen that will lose their jobs I see, you know the ones that Macron promised to protect. The problem with Macron that his arrogance and his ego is bigger than the Eiffel Tower.

Yeah, no respect for a guy that married his mother.

 

As for trade deals, I'm sure China will sell the UK everything they need for cheaper than Europe.

Maybe we could do a deal for a Chinese naval base on UK soil if the Americans won't play ball.

Edited October 17 by BritManToo