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There will be no downside to Brexit, only considerable upside. David Davis   The day after we vote to leave we hold all the cards and can choose the path we want. Michael Gove

Why should the EU negotiate with an ex-member, that voted to leave ? They should let Britain stand outside in the cold for twenty or twenty-five years. Then maybe let them back in, if they ask nicely.

Hilarious so if  those 27  countries  all had an 3  trillion economy it should   be  81   trillion instead of the paltry 18.4  trillion

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37 minutes ago, transam said:

Great, then you can stop posting and worry more about your new EU taxes... eh................🤣

Why should i stop ...? About taxes ....oh you Brits must not pay taxes ...lovely planet it must be .

I only try make it clear both sides will not give in .

Let  full brexit happen ...let both get the bruises or go to pieces ....that is the only solution ....remember in any not decided who won war , the peace treaty start when counting the losses...!

The time convincing eachother from their wrong is ...over ...it is a draw who took 4 years .No solution is possible ...to much both in trenches . But maybe that is very difficult for Albion to understand....

 

The battle of Brexit is a draw..

 

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On 10/17/2020 at 1:43 AM, edwinchester said:

There will be no downside to Brexit, only considerable upside.

David Davis

 

The day after we vote to leave we hold all the cards and can choose the path we want.

Michael Gove

 

Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy, the UK holds most of the cards.

John Redwood

 

The FTA that we do with the EU should be one of the easiest in human history.

Liam Fox

 

I think we could very easily get a better trade deal than we have at the moment.

Douglas Carswell

 

Trade relations can be sorted out in an afternoon over a cup of tea.

Gerald Batten

 

I loved these bright guys with their smooth talking, the best tall stories I've heard in a long time!

 

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47 minutes ago, RayC said:

That new - soon to be old - chestnut about 'goodwill'.

 

It still doesn't explain how - given that the UK "holds all the cards" - we have managed to find ourselves in this pickle.

We have been in this 'pickle' for 47 years.

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33 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

Ok would you say that you now pragmatically draw the conclusion that 3 of these politicians (who are now in charge), lied? 

 

 

Now about "goodwill"

  • we could talk at length about who is stalling and on what "The Great Seal of the Realm" on an international treaty means
  • .. but anyway as you A state, is called the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly lieth it also; and this lie creepeth from its mouth

 

we can always talk about expectations of goodwill but between world powers there is no godwill, I'm sorry to be rude, but if a world power can beat another, sooner or later it will.

 

 

 

At our personal little scale here, we can blame the politicians we choose to put in power for lying to us (or for being a Cynical Genius in the case of Boris Johnson), but you cannot blame world powers for "screwing" one another when they can; Actually that how the world works. 

 

Pragmatically, no, not really; if you want to refer to scale then there are far more direct examples of lies.

 

You can scale yourself down as much as you like but don't factor me into your calculations.

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19 minutes ago, nauseus said:

We have been in this 'pickle' for 47 years.

... And done rather well out of it (although clearly that is a matter of opinion)😁

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17 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

I understand this forum has a lot of british pensioners, the most brexit-prone demographic. So a lot of hardened brexiters not objectively ready to acknowledge Brexit was indeed a terrible choice.

 

Now, if you poll the British people, there is growing consensus that leaving the EU was the wrong move for the country.

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I have been getting this feedback on the ground for some time. Always get silly smiley faces from Brexiteers when I report it.

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30 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

I understand this forum has a lot of british pensioners, the most brexit-prone demographic. So a lot of hardened brexiters not objectively ready to acknowledge Brexit was indeed a terrible choice.

 

Now, if you poll the British people, there is growing consensus that leaving the EU was the wrong move for the country.

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Can't find this - can you link it properly?

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31 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

I understand this forum has a lot of british pensioners, the most brexit-prone demographic. So a lot of hardened brexiters not objectively ready to acknowledge Brexit was indeed a terrible choice.

 

Now, if you poll the British people, there is growing consensus that leaving the EU was the wrong move for the country.

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Polls can be manipulated, the referendum wasn't.

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12 minutes ago, polpott said:

I have been getting this feedback on the ground for some time. Always get silly smiley faces from Brexiteers when I report it.

Do you have links too? 

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18 minutes ago, RayC said:

... And done rather well out of it (although clearly that is a matter of opinion)😁

A matter of opinion, of course. 

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18 hours ago, Loiner said:

EU threat to impose tariffs between mainland and Northern Island, or even blockade foodstuffs?

Boris the liar made that accusation.

 

But like so many of his pronouncements; its not exactly true.

 

Under the Northern Ireland protocol in the withdrawal agreement agreed and ratified last year, Northern Ireland will in effect stay in the single market and follow EU standards in goods at the end of the transition period, while the rest of the UK exits and does its own thing on standards.

 

Under the agreement, the EU’s customs code would also be enforced on goods entering Northern Ireland from Great Britain, although Northern Ireland would stay in the UK’s customs territory. This “in-out” arrangement was agreed in order to prevent a customs border being implemented on the island of Ireland.

 

In the event of a wider trade deal not being agreed by the EU and the UK this year, that could mean tariffs being applied to goods entering Northern Ireland from Great Britain if they are deemed “at risk” of entering the Republic of Ireland at a later point.

 

Tariffs would be repayable to importers where it could be proven that the goods had not gone over the border into the Republic. But tariffs and checks would be done in the first instance, creating barriers to trade between Northern Ireland and Great Britain.

 

This outcome was the reason Theresa May, as prime minister, had been adamantly against any such customs border between the four nations of the UK.

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Boris the liar didn't care about any of that when he triumphantly unveiled his WA last year. Now his chickens are coming home to roost, he is, unsurprisingly, trying to blame the EU for his cock up!

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