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There will be no downside to Brexit, only considerable upside. David Davis   The day after we vote to leave we hold all the cards and can choose the path we want. Michael Gove

Why should the EU negotiate with an ex-member, that voted to leave ? They should let Britain stand outside in the cold for twenty or twenty-five years. Then maybe let them back in, if they ask nicely.

Hilarious so if  those 27  countries  all had an 3  trillion economy it should   be  81   trillion instead of the paltry 18.4  trillion

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1 minute ago, david555 said:

Backtracking U.K. .... Gove tries to repair Boris walking away outcry  ....needless ..!
as already E.U. told before on Friday they keep negotiating ......a laughable U.K.  brexiteers Government try selling the "E.U. neutralizing Boris walk away " as their achievement  …. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/19/brexit-gove-praises-constructive-move-as-eu-agrees-to-intensify-talks


Michael Gove pulls U-turn at dispatch box as EU makes Brexit offer
Minister’s attack on Brussels subsides as Barnier seems to agree to UK’s demands for resuming talks


Daniel Boffey and Lisa O'Carroll
Mon 19 Oct 2020 16.59 BST


Michael Gove has praised a “constructive move” by the EU in an about-turn after its chief negotiator agreed to Downing Street’s conditions for the resumption of Brexit talks in pursuit of a deal.


Shortly after castigating the EU for its attitude to the talks during an appearance in the House of Commons, Gove had to backtrack as he stood at the dispatch box following a tweet by the bloc’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier.

 

Barnier who spoke to his British counterpart, David Frost, earlier in the day, wrote: “I just spoke to David Frost. As stated by [European commission president] Ursula von der Leyen on Friday, I confirmed that the EU remains available to intensify talks in London this week, on all subjects, and based on legal texts. We now wait for the UK’s reaction 

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14 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

If you look at Polls only 52% French people would vote remain if there was a referendum on EU membership

and more French people believe that the UK will benefit longterm from leaving the EU.

Has being a member of the EU had a positive or negative effect on your country? 35% of French people say that there is a negative effect on being a member of the EU while only 33% think being a member of the EU has a positive effect

and when asked the question Do you trust that the EU has your country's best interests at heart?

a whopping 46% of French people stated that the   EU doesn't have  France's  best interests at heart compare to 26% that think the EU does have France's best interest at heart

https://www.euronews.com/2020/10/15/majority-of-germans-think-uk-will-not-benefit-long-term-from-brexit-euronews-survey-reveal

I see here from an interview in 2018 French President Emmanuel Macron says France would 'probably' have voted to leave the EU, if offered the choice in a referendum

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-42768466

I read 52%  only.... , is that not that same "democratic" famous 52% victory who created the Brexit disaster.....? how wonderful 52% is good for one and bad for the other..... just how brexiteers  implicating words different  depending sides or cause  …..😂

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2 minutes ago, david555 said:

I read 52%  only.... , is that not that same "democratic" famous 52% victory who created the Brexit disaster.....? how wonderful 52% is good for one and bad for the other..... just how brexiteers  implicating words different  depending sides or cause  …..😂

Not everyone would agree with you regarding your comment "Brexit disaster" likewise it does appear that a number of French people are not happy remaining in the EU

I have no issues with the Northern Irish or Scottish people have referendums on remaining as part of the UK or leaving the UK but  they should be held after every single country in the EU has had a referendum on EU membership but as everyone knows the EU countries will not hold such referendums as they don't trust the citzens of EU countries producing the correct outcome

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3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Difficult to have a poll on attitudes to the referendum result before the referendum result is known!

 

I can find nothing to substantiate your assertion that "the weighting of sampling by geographical area is disproportionately high in London, the south of England and in Scotland." Perhaps you'd be so kind as to show me where you found that information.

 

Pro Remain bias? No; pro Remain results.

 

Personally, as I've said before, I believe the only polls which count are those at the ballot box. But as opinion polls in general, and YouGov in particular, have been used many times in the past by Brexiteers to 'prove' how popular Brexit is, it is amusing that now they are showing the opposite some are trying to disassociate themselves from that organisation!

Wow. And I thought you were the search engineer of TV! 

 

Busy now. I'll try and find it tomorrow if I have time. 

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6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Not everyone would agree with you regarding your comment "Brexit disaster" likewise it does appear that a number of French people are not happy remaining in the EU

I have no issues with the Northern Irish or Scottish people have referendums on remaining as part of the UK or leaving the UK but  they should be held after every single country in the EU has had a referendum on EU membership but as everyone knows the EU countries will not hold such referendums as they don't trust the citzens of EU countries producing the correct outcome

I don't see a reason that 27  referendums would be hold on the idea of a brexiteer 😂 ….as you forgot . U.K. is out and out means out (dixit T.May) 

and out of the club there is no say inside the clubs doing'   anymore . Opinions yes , but only that ….

Independence is full yours ….. on the Island 

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1 hour ago, Hi from France said:

It is not very logical to hear brexiters plead for self-determination and freedom "from slavery" and deny this right to the Irish and the Scots

Can you find me one Brexiteer on here who seeks to deny Northern Irish or Scots the right to vote for independence? I think you'll find we're either not bothered or quite happy for them to leave the union if that's what they want. 

NI has a mechanism in place already to have a referendum when support for independence justifies it. 

On Scotland, my  view is that they should get their 2nd indy vote as soon as the Scottish people know what post-Brexit Britain looks like. It would be unfair to make them vote while we're still in limbo. But SNP enthusiasts want a referendum now, just in case the polls swing back to remain once the Brexit turbulence has passed. That's underhand IMO. 

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6 minutes ago, candide said:

Don't forget the first article's headline

Majority of Germans think UK will not benefit long term from Brexit, Euronews survey reveals 

The second article dates from 2018

The Euronews article was Euronews  •  last updated: 15/10/2020

as It does state that while the majority of Germans think uk will not benefit long term from Brexit it does state  that the majority of Brits, Italians and French do believe that the UK will benefit long term from Brexit

I did state in my original post on Macon comments that is was from an interview in 2018 

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7 hours ago, polpott said:

I have been getting this feedback on the ground for some time. Always get silly smiley faces from Brexiteers when I report it.

Pretty sure that if you can find a poll that shows that Britons are more and more in favour of Brexit you will get "Likes". 

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18 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

The Euronews article was Euronews  •  last updated: 15/10/2020

as It does state that while the majority of Germans think uk will not benefit long term from Brexit it does state  that the majority of Brits, Italians and French do believe that the UK will benefit long term from Brexit

I did state in my original post on Macon comments that is was from an interview in 2018 

You seem to forget there is a lot of "don't know" answers (around one third of respondents). It's not surprising as "leaving or not leaving" is currently not a hot topic in most EU countries. Sorry but 35% is not "a majority".

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