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There will be no downside to Brexit, only considerable upside. David Davis   The day after we vote to leave we hold all the cards and can choose the path we want. Michael Gove

Why should the EU negotiate with an ex-member, that voted to leave ? They should let Britain stand outside in the cold for twenty or twenty-five years. Then maybe let them back in, if they ask nicely.

Hilarious so if  those 27  countries  all had an 3  trillion economy it should   be  81   trillion instead of the paltry 18.4  trillion

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Today Gove declared in parliament that negotiations ended... while praising the opposite "constructive moves" 

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Downing Street has refused to restart Brexit deal negotiations despite Michael Gove performing a U-turn at the dispatch box in which he praised a “constructive move” by the EU minutes after declaring the talks “effectively ended”.

 

As usual, it's hard to follow these continuous U-turns.

 

If you say something, just do what you say, if you sign a treaty, then abide by your word. If you don't want a treaty just don't sign... 

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The government’s final response once Gove had left the chamber caused some bemusement in Brussels. Both the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, and the French president, Emmanuel Macron, had said on Friday that they were willing to compromise on the most contentious issues of domestic subsidy control and EU access to British fishing waters.

 

EU sources suggested that Downing Street simply felt unable to reverse Johnson’s suspension of the talks so quickly.

 

Anyway, the negociations will restart shortly, but considering the time lost these last years, and the few weeks remaining, even if there is a deal, it will be extremely thin 

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there are concerns within government and industry that the dire threat of a no-deal outcome has masked the impact of a “thin” EU deal on trade. While a deal will remove tariffs on trade, significant “non-tariff barriers” will be imposed, adding serious costs on manufacturers and practical difficulties for hauliers – while the UK’s large services sector is also expected to be subject to new barriers. 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/18/experts-claim-boris-johnsons-thin-eu-deal-will-cause-major-economic-upset

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2 hours ago, vinny41 said:

35% of Brits who  believe that the UK will not  benefit long term from Brexit is not a majority but it is less than the 47% of Brits that do believe that the UK will benefit long term from Brexit

So it seems we agree on maths. 47% is close to a majority, 35% is not.

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4 hours ago, candide said:

You seem to forget there is a lot of "don't know" answers (around one third of respondents). It's not surprising as "leaving or not leaving" is currently not a hot topic in most EU countries. Sorry but 35% is not "a majority".

 

1 hour ago, candide said:

So it seems we agree on maths. 47% is close to a majority, 35% is not.

I never stated 35% that was from yourself 

If you read the article correctly you would have found that 

 58% of Germans believe the UK will not reap any long term benefits from leaving the European Union, a Euronews-commissioned survey has revealed. while 23% think the UK will benefit long term from leaving the EU

The figure rises to 38% of French that think the UK will benefit long term from leaving the EU and 42% of Italians who think that 

the UK will benefit long term from leaving the EU and finally 47% of Brits that think the UK will benefit long term from leaving the EU

https://www.euronews.com/2020/10/15/majority-of-germans-think-uk-will-not-benefit-long-term-from-brexit-euronews-survey-reveal

 

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There is a thin line between being determined, and being stubborn. 

 

 

Generally being determined is having the willingness to change as needed. 

 

Being stubborn is a categorical refuse to budge whatever the outcome will be. 

 

Will see. 

 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

While Gove was praising the EU for wanting to continue the talks Downing street was telling the world "No we are still in the huff and dont want to talk".

Seriously. Just when you think Brexit cannot get more shambolic the Brexit fundamentalists pull off another stunning act of stupidity. 

Do you have a link to Goves quote, I'm sure he said more than that, if he ever said it at all.

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1 minute ago, luckyluke said:

Being stubborn is a categorical refuse to budge whatever the outcome will be. 

Or having a "must do" hidden agenda.

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6 hours ago, Hi from France said:

Today Gove declared in parliament that negotiations ended... while praising the opposite "constructive moves" 

 

As usual, it's hard to follow these continuous U-turns.

 

If you say something, just do what you say, if you sign a treaty, then abide by your word. If you don't want a treaty just don't sign... 

 

Anyway, the negociations will restart shortly, but considering the time lost these last years, and the few weeks remaining, even if there is a deal, it will be extremely thin 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/18/experts-claim-boris-johnsons-thin-eu-deal-will-cause-major-economic-upset

What a messy post.

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1 hour ago, vogie said:

Do you have a link to Goves quote, I'm sure he said more than that, if he ever said it at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/19/brexit-gove-praises-constructive-move-as-eu-agrees-to-intensify-talks

 

 

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11 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Difficult to have a poll on attitudes to the referendum result before the referendum result is known!

 

I can find nothing to substantiate your assertion that "the weighting of sampling by geographical area is disproportionately high in London, the south of England and in Scotland." Perhaps you'd be so kind as to show me where you found that information.

 

Pro Remain bias? No; pro Remain results.

 

Personally, as I've said before, I believe the only polls which count are those at the ballot box. But as opinion polls in general, and YouGov in particular, have been used many times in the past by Brexiteers to 'prove' how popular Brexit is, it is amusing that now they are showing the opposite some are trying to disassociate themselves from that organisation!

Here you go. Got up early just for you. The sampling totals by area seem disproportionate to population numbers in some areas and I'd like to see more geographical and actual sample detail about specific regions, especially the "rest of south", which could skew the overall results a lot. 

 

But then it is just a poll:

 

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/5l5pygu8gt/TimesResults_200924_VI_Trackers_W.pdf

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14 hours ago, 7by7 said:
14 hours ago, vogie said:

Polls can be manipulated, the referendum wasn't.

Strange comment on a YouGov poll from the person who until their results started to go against him regularly posted YouGov polls as if they were Holy Writ.

Ha!.....Back of the net

 

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