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Brexit brinkmanship: Johnson says prepare for no-deal, cancels trade talks


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40 minutes ago, AndrewMciver said:

MAC makeup makes up more of economy than bloody fish.

 

Worst still the little fish we catch in the UK, we ship to Europe anyways. 

 

Fish make up 0.05% of our economy.

 

Get the hell out of town with this nonsense. 

 

As for state subsidies - it's almost laughable. The UK government over the course of the last 50 years has been one of the lowest state subsidised countries in the world. Compared to Germany or France the UK subsidises companies about 60% less. Again, it's a completely bizarre notion.

 

Rishi Sunak, the UK chancellor, said him sitting in a office was no way he could delegate which companies to subsidise. Yet we are meant to believe Dominic Cummings has a plan to subsidize robotos, etc - GET THE HELL OUT OF TOWN.

 

Supposed trade deal with the US will be over if Biden wins - especially if we break the Ireland deal. 

 

If we break the agreement we signed up for Northern Ireland we are even more screwed with the US and EU.

 

These xenophobes should be happy they have cut out of free movement. Now they are obsessed with fish. They won't stop till the whole economy has collapsed and we turn in to Khemer Rouge Cambodia, attempting to grow our own crops and become self sufficient. 

 

Ridiculous. 

 

I sit with these immigrants in Thailand who feel they are shielded from any hurt. Yet the UK Pound will fall close to 20% more if there is no deal. Ridiculous !!!!

 

I still see no upsides to all this madness. Granted we have stopped immigration, and i'd say to at least 95% of those who voted Brexit that was the main issue. Now we got that. Now what - what do we hope to achieve?

Our fishing industry will expand rapidly without the merciless competition from the EU super trawlers.

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There will be no downside to Brexit, only considerable upside. David Davis   The day after we vote to leave we hold all the cards and can choose the path we want. Michael Gove

Why should the EU negotiate with an ex-member, that voted to leave ? They should let Britain stand outside in the cold for twenty or twenty-five years. Then maybe let them back in, if they ask nicely.

Hilarious so if  those 27  countries  all had an 3  trillion economy it should   be  81   trillion instead of the paltry 18.4  trillion

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3 hours ago, allane said:

Why should the EU negotiate with an ex-member, that voted to leave ? They should let Britain stand outside in the cold for twenty or twenty-five years. Then maybe let them back in, if they ask nicely.

Why do you say that, do you come from a poor EU country that will not get UK handouts...?

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10 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

And with that you were saying what in regard to the information you quoted?

That I am not agree with this statement in the by me quoted text :

"we all knew that you cannot negotiate with an organisation like the EU".

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2 hours ago, dimitriv said:

 

You are right, the UK has the right to refuse. And in return the EU refuses to give the UK the right to sell fish to the UK. So 75% of UK fishermen will lose their job very soon.

 

 

Another smarting EU national with a..........

 

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2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And I thought they are prepared since years.

Didn't those UK politicians think about what they want before they promoted Brexit?

And wasn't it their responsibility to plan and prepare for Brexit after the people voted for it 4 years ago.

The EU's position didn't change much in all that time.

Amazing UK.

Yes, the UK is amazing, always has been, we now move on with our country and waters totally intact.....How about you, continue living under a big stick...🤭

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21 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

Our fishing industry will expand rapidly without the merciless competition from the EU super trawlers.

You will still meat them in those waters with the sold quotas for good money by your own fishermans ....now "rich "fishermans probably ..., because their sale out fish ownership to those " trawlers " 😁

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3 hours ago, dimitriv said:

 

Same can be said about the UK. 75% of fish caught by UK fisherman goes to the EU. And from what I understand that will be blocked for the full 100%. So 75% of them will be without a job very soon.

It is not only fish caught by fishermen, there is also the onshore fishing industry which in Scotland employs about 3 times the number of offshore.

Johnson being a vocalist is more concerned about using the more vocal offshore sector in pursuit of his agenda.

The sooner Scotland can make an independent agreement with France the better. France is the onshore industry's biggest customer and the only way to stop the rural communities being eradicated.

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5 minutes ago, david555 said:

You will still meat them in those waters with the sold quotas for good money by your own fishermans ....now "rich "fishermans probably ..., because their sale out fish ownership to those " trawlers " 😁

Noooooo meat, just fish......🤭

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25 minutes ago, vogie said:

To be 'fair' I would treat all parties the same, in reality the UK has paid probably billions upon billions into the coffers of the EU and Canada hasn't paid a penny, so who are you going to be fair with, I'll leave that there for you to figure.

It's like having two children, one lives with you and the other one lives with his mother 5 miles down the road, and just because the one that lives with his mother is further away doesn't mean that he should get more spending money now does it, because that would be unfair.

The EU cannot possibly treat the UK fairly or else other nations might get ideas above their status and decide to leave and that wouldn't do at all now would it.

I don't know the details but if the U.K. has paid billions to the E.U., there must have been some kind of compensations.

On the other hand I believe that the E.U. make it somehow difficult to the U.K. because they leave the group, no club like that an important financial contributor leave. So they may be somehow resentful. Not that I agree with it.

I am however convinced that other countries in the E.U. have no actual desire to leave the group, based on the mess Brexit actually is.

If 48% of the people are not agree with the other 52% , but the 52% consider they have all the rights and the rest should just abide, this is a recipe for messing, and it shows.

 

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2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Bluff and bluster by Johnson. Does that man never learn? It has not worked so far and is not going to work now.

So have the trade talks been ended? No-one seems to know. It depends on who you speak to I guess.

Fishing eh? Which makes up 0.12% of the UK's GDP. And most of that is made up of fish sold to the EU. We are going to screw up a tariff free deal with our biggest trading partner over a couple of thousand spider crabs.

Fishing is not a big deal but brexiteers have been dog whistled into believing its critical. So we will have control of our waters but no market for the catches and also no access to EU waters either. 

Wait what? Those Johnny Foreigners are going to stop our plucky fishermen entering their waters? 

Now what is worth an awful lot of money is the UK's financial services. The EU is going to have that off us in the event of no deal.

However I do not believe the trade talks will be ended. I still think Johnson will capitulate. 

The EU will not allow the tail to wag the dog.

You just dont get it.

 

We have a 12 rai hobby farm which we use as a motocross track for me and the gf grows some fruit which she sells at the local school. With my job in Bangkok and rental income from abroad I reckon its probably around the 0.12% of our income that you quoted. Maybe less. Cant be bothered to calculate it.

 

That doesn't mean I want to give our nasty neighbours full access to come and take our fruit or ride my track whenever they want, forever. Because it's not theirs. It's called a principle. I couldn't give a toss how much the fruit is worth. We grew it. On our land. So they can jog on, like the french fisherman.

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