Brexit brinkmanship: Johnson says prepare for no-deal, cancels trade talks

[david555]

4 hours ago, transam said:

You missed my main point, the remain electorate didn't all rush to the Lib Dems to quosh Brexit, the Tories were given the go ahead to get it done. The leader of the Lib Dems, after here many TV appearances, was trounced.

You can spin your numbers all you like, but the FACT is, you remainers were sent packing....????

 

You can spin your numbers all you like, but the FACT is, you remainers were sent packing....????

 

 

But E.U. sent you "leavers " packing ...(up to now ).....tick tock 19 November looming .....????

[evadgib]

Red Meat for the 49ers ????

Immigration Act receives Royal Assent: free movement to end on 31 December 2020

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The Immigration Act has today (Wednesday 11 November 2020) received Royal Assent and been signed into law.

 

[david555]

1 minute ago, evadgib said:

Red Meat for the 49ers ????

Immigration Act receives Royal Assent: free movement to end on 31 December 2020

 

Fair enough ..... as now your U.K. passports must have enough moths validly also to enter E.U. as 31 December  .... so keep an eye on it for eventual holidays ... and the truckdrivers too...????

[transam]

15 minutes ago, david555 said:

You can spin your numbers all you like, but the FACT is, you remainers were sent packing....????

 

 

But E.U. sent you "leavers " packing ...(up to now ).....tick tock 19 November looming .....????

You are getting confused, the UK has already left, the final agreements are now under discussion, so, nooooo sent packing because we have already left......????

[polpott]

7 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Red Meat for the 49ers ????

Immigration Act receives Royal Assent: free movement to end on 31 December 2020

 

Who's going to harvest our fruit and veg? And the hops, you can kiss goodbye to warm flat beer.

[david555]

1 minute ago, transam said:

I travelled all over Europe before we were in the EU sunbeam, no problem, but if you need your mum to help you holiday that's your problem....????

No problem coming .... just stand in that other long line ...., and just keep an eye of travelling documents are up to date .... this count of course also for both sides ..... ????

[Sheryl]

a number of snide/baiting posts have been removed.

 

Please behave.

[transam]

41 minutes ago, polpott said:

Who's going to harvest our fruit and veg? And the hops, you can kiss goodbye to warm flat beer.

Are you asking where to apply...?  ????

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Are you asking where to apply...?  ????

Scintillating reply sunbeam. Was posting it for you chap.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, polpott said:

Scintillating reply sunbeam. Was posting it for you chap.

Sorry, I cannot personally tell you where to apply....????

[polpott]

Just now, transam said:

Sorry, I cannot personally tell you where to apply....????

Not from Kent then?

[luckyluke]

Everything will be fine for everyone.

Deal or not, good one or not.

 

Both parties will claim that they won, the others lose.

 

Whatever the outcome, both parties will claim that this has always been what they wanted.

 

And of course if no deal, that everything is the fault of the other party,

that every proposition formulated by the others was inacceptable,

that the others categorically refused any sensible proposition. 

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by luckyluke

[Tofer]

18 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

You were never on the fence. You say you voted remain for purely personal financial reasons. Not because you thought it was right for the country. 

No, I said I DIDN'T vote....

[Tofer]

3 hours ago, david555 said:

But E.U. sent you "leavers " packing ...(up to now ).....tick tock 19 November looming

I think you'll find it's the EU that are in London with their begging bowl right now, capitulating on their red lines, whilst UK are standing firm on theirs.

[transam]

22 minutes ago, Tofer said:

No, I said I DIDN'T vote....

He's having a confused day today.......????

[luckyluke]

15 minutes ago, Tofer said:

I think you'll find it's the EU that are in London with their begging bowl right now, capitulating on their red lines, whilst UK are standing firm on theirs.

Many will find you are right, as many will find it is the other way around.

Every party is convinced they are right, and the others wrong.

Every party will claim that the others don't want to see the reality.

[7by7]

22 hours ago, Tofer said:

On 11/9/2020 at 12:13 PM, 7by7 said:

 So what has the EU done to "the EU would do everything they could to punish the UK, and not respect the essence / terms of the WA, thereby rendering it null and void?"

 

If Johnson had the foresight to predict all this, why did he sign it?

To get the bl..dy process moving past the starting post of course.

 I see that, as with every other Brexiteer who has been asked, you are unable to say what the EU has done to "punish the UK" and "render the WA null and void."

 

As for your actual reply; you are saying that Johnson lied to the British electorate, lied to Parliament and signed an international treaty which he had no intention of abiding by!

 

Yet you call the EU untrustworthy!

[7by7]

22 hours ago, Tofer said:

<snip>

HOWEVER - seeing the conduct of the EU since we signed Article 50, and their propensity towards punishing the UK for having the audacity to vote to leave, I am now off the fence and firmly behind the Brexit movement. I also never had any doubt that we will make a success of it ultimately.

 I ask again: what is it you don't like about the conduct of the EU? What has the EU done to punish the UK?

 

As I've said; plenty of Brexiteers have made such allegations; yet none have been able to answer those questions. Will you now do so?

 

I agree, the UK will make some sort of success of Brexit; ultimately. But when; and will we ever be economically back to where we were before Brexit?

[Surelynot]

Oh dearI

[7by7]

10 hours ago, transam said:

You missed my main point, the remain electorate didn't all rush to the Lib Dems to quosh Brexit, the Tories were given the go ahead to get it done. The leader of the Lib Dems, after here many TV appearances, was trounced.

You can spin your numbers all you like, but the FACT is, you remainers were sent packing....????

 

 The voters didn't exactly rush to the Tories; they only increased their share of the vote by 1.4%; the LibDems increased theirs by 4.2%.

 

Swinson was not trounced; she lost by just 149 votes; to the EUphile SNP! 

 

Not spinning any numbers; they are real and there for all to see and check. Parties supporting at least a second referendum on any WA received over 50% of the popular vote.

 

You can go on deluding yourself for ever, and probably will, but those are the facts for all to see.

[bannork]

Bye bye free movement across Europe. 

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, bannork said:

Bye bye free movement across Europe. 

Johnson was born in the USA as well. New York to be precise.

Of course the Brexiteers dont want Johnny Foreigner in good old blighty. Nah they made a Johnny Foreigner prime minister instead ???? 

[7by7]

5 hours ago, evadgib said:

Red Meat for the 49ers ????

Immigration Act receives Royal Assent: free movement to end on 31 December 2020

 

You didn't expect this? Obviously, it was going to happen if we left not only the EU but the EEA.

 

Of course, as ever, the Tories are overselling it; making it seem that whilst in the EU we had no control over our borders. As anyone here who has applied for a visa so that their Thai spouse can live here, or even visit, can tell you; that is rubbish.

 

In the 20 years that I have taken an interest in UK immigration, there have been many changes to the Immigration Rules; none of which required any input and certainly no permission from the EU!

 

Like all EU/EEA members we always had complete control over our borders as far as non EU/EEA nationals are concerned and the FoM allows control over some aspects of immigration by EU/EEA nationals as well.

 

 

[david555]

2 hours ago, Tofer said:

I think you'll find it's the EU that are in London with their begging bowl right now, capitulating on their red lines, whilst UK are standing firm on theirs.

 " Mirror mirror on that wall who fits that image most of all..." ????. i would reply ....

a leaver standing /hesitating /hoping / 4 years+ to get those same privilages as a paying member before ...????????????????

Edited November 12, 2020 by david555

[Rookiescot]

5 hours ago, transam said:

Are you asking where to apply...?  ????

Question is are you going to be rushing back to the UK to help do all this rebuilding of the economy caused by Brexit?

After all. Its your patriotic duty to help get all that fruit and veg picked now your dream of preventing immigrants from doing it has been fulfilled.

Or will you just be staying in your armchair? 

[hotandsticky]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Question is are you going to be rushing back to the UK to help do all this rebuilding of the economy caused by Brexit?

After all. Its your patriotic duty to help get all that fruit and veg picked now your dream of preventing immigrants from doing it has been fulfilled.

Or will you just be staying in your armchair? 

 

 

 

I would recommend that he takes your example and goes for the armchair option.   ????

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

 

I would recommend that he takes your example and goes for the armchair option.   ????

I didnt vote for Brexit.

[hotandsticky]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

I didnt vote for Brexit.

 

 

No need to apologise.

 

 

Just stay in your armchair and carry on being a keyboard warrior.

 

 

(I accept that is potentially multi-tasking, so go steady)

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

I didnt vote for Brexit.

Remainers didn't vote for anything apart for 'meaningful votes' which turned out to be meaningless, and now they complain that they are being hard done by.????????????

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

No need to apologise.

 

 

Just stay in your armchair and carry on being a keyboard warrior.

 

 

(I accept that is potentially multi-tasking, so go steady)

I am not apologising. I know Brexit is stupidity on stilts and was only brought about by feeding the gullible meaningless slogans and buzzwords which anyone with half a brain could see through. And of course there was always the unspoken but inferred aspect of immigration. 

Now you tell me what kind of person would be susceptible to the above.