Brexit brinkmanship: Johnson says prepare for no-deal, cancels trade talks

[david555 5,185]

7 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Well it only takes one, right? Or is it QMV?

Yes only 1 vetoe is enough .....but some spare ones are always welcome ..

 

 

 

 

Edited October 23 by david555

[david555 5,185]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

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Edited October 23 by david555

[Hi from France 244]

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Boris Johnson has clashed with Brussels over an 11th-hour attempt to save British passport holders from hours of delays at European airports from the end of the year.

 

The government is seeking continued use by UK nationals of the automatic e-gates used by EU nationals at airports and Eurostar terminals. The move is seen by the European commission as an attempt to keep Britons in faster lanes rather than having to queue up with the rest of the world after the end of the transition period.

 

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A senior EU diplomat said: “Having grown up in Brussels, Boris Johnson values the ability to travel freely to the continent. So it is perfectly apt that the UK is now asking the EU to change its own laws to accommodate London on something it always had. We are probably in for another re-run of ‘the EU is being unfair’, ‘we’re only asking for a Canada-style deal’. It isn’t.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/23/uk-presses-for-use-of-faster-passport-gates-at-eu-airports-post-brexit

[evadgib 17,202]

1 hour ago, Hi from France said:

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/23/uk-presses-for-use-of-faster-passport-gates-at-eu-airports-post-brexit

I already have a new blue passport & living in Thailand couldn't care less / won't expect to be any slower passing through any european border than it is when entering LoS; especially when this covid lark is lifted.

[dimitriv 2,078]

42 minutes ago, evadgib said:

I already have a new blue passport & living in Thailand couldn't care less / won't expect to be any slower passing through any european border than it is when entering LoS; especially when this covid lark is lifted.

 

You don't know yet that you will probably need a visa + proof of income of the last year  + health insurance + booked accommodation for the duration of your stay including proof of payment ?

 

 

 

Edited October 23 by dimitriv

[Loiner 8,720]

14 hours ago, Hi from France said:

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/23/uk-presses-for-use-of-faster-passport-gates-at-eu-airports-post-brexit

Your Garuniad can't even remember what it has previously reported on special lanes for UK passports.  Portugal is nearly two years ahead of the EU. Watch Spain do the same too.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/17/portugal-plans-special-lanes-for-britons-in-its-airports-after-brexit#:~:text=Portugal plans to open dedicated,%2C António Costa%2C has said.

 

[sandyf 5,666]

On 10/23/2020 at 3:47 PM, evadgib said:

Meanwhile HMG are still getting on with it:

UK and Japan sign free trade agreement

 

One of the multitude of trade deals that would be easily rolled over. The UK was not in the EU/Japan for long enough to accumulate significant data so the government will capitalise on comparing it to what was rather than what they gave up, time will tell.

 

[sandyf 5,666]

21 hours ago, david555 said:

You did not read  my point in it ? ….. not the fish for me.... but the vetoes I like to have now  , would like to see Boris handle his  "Austalian " deal 

In the eyes of many, brexit will have been a success when fish and chips are back to 50p.

[david555 5,185]

4 minutes ago, sandyf said:

In the eyes of many, brexit will have been a success when fish and chips are back to 50p.

They can have  their fish …. but I want my € handled by Frankfurt Paris or Amsterdam or even in joint venture by them , it is ours..., just like they claim their waters ...

[david555 5,185]

Besides this fact somebody posted the contrary above from Potugal minister ,news was 1 year old article…. when negotiations did not get sour yet ,  not very accurate brexiteers reply apparently 

 

And as they can not come fish anymore …… guess what …?

 

 

 

ttps://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/23/uk-presses-for-use-of-faster-passport-gates-at-eu-airports-post-brexit

 

this matters now :

 

UK presses for use of faster passport gates at EU airports post-Brexit
Exclusive: European commission insists letting UK nationals use e-gates would breach EU law

 

Edited October 24 by david555

[Hi from France 244]

On the matter of signing a treaty with party being a know liar, I found some more info.

So beside fish and level playing field there is this  third topic blocking a possible deal, it's called "Governance" 

 

here is a the brexiter newspaper "the Torygraph" summary https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...iations-going/

 

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Governance

Where they started

The EU wanted the deals on fishing, trade, foreign policy and security cooperation covered by a single agreement and enforcement system. Future agreements could be plugged into this umbrella agreement and punitive measures could be taken across sectors if necessary. 

 

Britain wanted a series of separate agreements with their own dispute resolution mechanisms and no cross-cutting. It said foreign policy cooperation didn’t need a new agreement. 

 

Where they are going

The UK's Internal Market Bill, which breaks international law, has stiffened the EU’s resolve to secure a tough enforcement system.  

Negotiations are expected to be difficult and detailed. The UK has warmed to the umbrella treaty but still wants fishing to be separate. 

Britain has signalled a robust governance system is also in its interest, suggesting a deal could be closer. 

 

Edited October 24 by Hi from France

[Tofer 784]

On 10/23/2020 at 3:40 PM, sandyf said:

Make no mistake, for the UK it is the beginning of the end.

He of Little faith. Not much of the British spirit in you, is there...

[Tofer 784]

On 10/23/2020 at 3:40 PM, sandyf said:

You obviously never bothered to read the link, dated March 2016, and not the first time he spoke on the matter.

Just about the time the Brexit debates were going on... Or would you care to identify his previous speeches. 

Edited October 24 by Tofer

[Hi from France 244]

take on the same matter of entering an international treaty with a lying party, by the Guardian

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/24/brexit-walkout-sulk-over-prospects-of-deal

 

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Finally, there is the matter of governance, which is as important as it is technical. The EU says it needs a system where binding decisions can be swiftly made as to whether either party has breached the comprehensive free trade agreement. And there needs to be the power to hit the other side with a sanction in a part of the economy where it will hurt.

 

For the UK, this feels all too close to being an association agreement, the likes of which may be more suitable for a country seeking to be enveloped into the EU’s sphere rather than pushing away from it. A breach on issues of goods should be dealt with by a sanction within that chapter of the deal.

 

 

 

[Tofer 784]

On 10/23/2020 at 5:42 PM, bannork said:

the world's largest trading bloc on your doorstep. 

For how long? I believe the EU is on notice