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"The Stranded": Highlighting the plight of expats unable to return to Thailand; #2 Retirees


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2 hours ago, Polaky said:

Hey mark, and how much was this ubeaute insurance, surely better priced than pacific with decent coverage?.

What I just have almost completed. ... It was the cheapest by fat and 10 times less than the most expensive. ... . ... 

 

... Pacific Prime is an Insurance broker ... not a providor company. And not Pacific Cross ... though they do work with them ... and LMG is Liberty Mutual Group. .which I used,  is a Thai Insurance company .on the Thai Embasoes Companys providing Insyrance fir the NON -OA visa. ... . I will send you a private messsge about it, later on, as I think it is sgainst the ruels to put any thing comercial here. ...  ? ... 

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If you are writing these stories to get my sympathy, it is not working.  I have a some sympathy for anyone who left in 2019, but it ends there. If you left this year, could you not have foreseen how t

A slight nuance to the earlier post #1 teachers.  Whilst I see that TVF and Rooster are doing so in good faith and with compassion, to try and make those of us who might be living under a large rock,(

Since your crystal ball gazing is so great I assume you win the lottery every time! FYI the US for example did not impose travel restrictions on non US citizens until 31 Jan 2020.  How could y

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7 hours ago, crazykopite said:

Sadly you lose them and have to start all over again I’m stuck in Thailand my wife is in the U.K. in her 10th month and has got so settled over there she does not want to come back to Thailand problem is we own a property here have cats and if I went back to the U.K. I would find it nigh impossible to get back into Thailand . My next door neighbour who is Chinese has the same problem his Chinese wife can’t get back after visiting her mother yet you have the Thai government claiming Chinese are allowed back into Thailand my neighbour tells me this is total BS as his wife has tried every Avenue to try and return.

This is opening up, they are running flights from Shanghai and Guangzhou now. The trick is to keep in touch with the consulate so you can find out when the flights are.

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4 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Why not? I class myself as an immigrant. 

Definition of an immigrant "is a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country".   To legally become an immigrant in the eyes of the Thai governemnt you need  a permanent residendcy commonly known in farang circles as a PR. Very difficut to get and near impossible if you are an average retiree (I put myslef in that category). None of the people mentioned in this article are "permanent residents" but unfortunately want to be treated as such. While the people mentioend in this article have my sysmpathy, it does not appear they put in the effort to become permanent residents. If you want to adopt Thailand as your country, you have to get Thailand to adopt you. This takes  a lot of effort.  When I came here 16 years ago the PR was ridiculed as being too expensive and not woth the effort. That may be the case but I take off my hat to those who learnt the Thai language to pass the test, start a business/get a job, go through rigorous procedures, inspections, documentation, etc to become a permanent resident. IMHO living in Thailand is a privililedge that has to be earned and not a right. Similar to orignator of this post I do not consider myself as an immnigrant as I did not put in the necessary effort. 

 

P.S. I do not expect any response to my post as this goes against the "entitled" foreigner's perception of how things should work. Readers will quickly dismiss the comment and move on to a comment that fits into their world of thinking.

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4 hours ago, micmichd said:

Revenge towards a country that has fought the spreading of the pandemic so effectively is certainly the last thing Thailand needs. 

Nothing to do with revenge regarding covid.  Imposing the same rules and restrictions to Thai people in your own country would only be fair for everybody. That goes for every country not only Thailand. For example you can not buy land in XYZ people of XYZ should not be allowed the same in your country. 

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3 hours ago, Bangkok Basha said:

Ask any ordinary Thai not from a hi-so background what their experience has been applying for a U.S. or U.K. visa before you talk about the "same restrictions" as on Thai people. Furthermore, no visitors to the U.S. not on a student visa can remain longer than six months a time. There are no "retirement" visas in the U.S.- even for wealthy EU or Canadian citizens who live part of the year in Florida. I feel we've been lucky that Thailand has allowed foreigners to retire here for as long as they have, but like other posters, I think those days are drawing to an end. 

Your are correct both the US and UK are strict 🙂 for a reason, most of those apply have family and think that's enough to have a visa so they can work over there and become rich. The US will protect their citizens even they do stupid things in North Korea, Iran, Irak or Myanmar (mostly missionaries) your country will help you. The UK will not. They are doing what I propose, the rest of Europe, for example, is not. I'm not retired yet 🙂 I'm one of the few who started with nothing over here almost 30 years ago and is getting tired of all restrictions they impose(d) on me during my stay in Thailand. The whole covid <deleted> forced me to delay for at least another 5 years. Australia is strict as well but some agents found some back doors (for non white people).

 

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8 hours ago, cardinalblue said:

Will they have a problem withdrawing 800,000 baht each From a Thai Bank and more importantly transferring it out of the country? Will there be barriers?

 

  Sure , you can bring money into the Kingdom .

     Take out , ? ..

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56 minutes ago, riverhigh said:

Definition of an immigrant "is a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country".   To legally become an immigrant in the eyes of the Thai governemnt you need  a permanent residendcy commonly known in farang circles as a PR. Very difficut to get and near impossible if you are an average retiree (I put myslef in that category). None of the people mentioned in this article are "permanent residents" but unfortunately want to be treated as such. While the people mentioend in this article have my sysmpathy, it does not appear they put in the effort to become permanent residents. If you want to adopt Thailand as your country, you have to get Thailand to adopt you. This takes  a lot of effort.  When I came here 16 years ago the PR was ridiculed as being too expensive and not woth the effort. That may be the case but I take off my hat to those who learnt the Thai language to pass the test, start a business/get a job, go through rigorous procedures, inspections, documentation, etc to become a permanent resident. IMHO living in Thailand is a privililedge that has to be earned and not a right. Similar to orignator of this post I do not consider myself as an immnigrant as I did not put in the necessary effort. 

 

P.S. I do not expect any response to my post as this goes against the "entitled" foreigner's perception of how things should work. Readers will quickly dismiss the comment and move on to a comment that fits into their world of thinking.

Good post. There is another way - to apply for Thai citizenship. This is the path I took and although quite simple, I had to make some sacrifices to get it. 

When I looked at PR, it was only 9000 baht. I would have gone for it if the Thai government hadn't made the requirements for citizenship much easier, in 2008. 

Good point about the language; I'd say that 90+% of retirees can't hold a simple conversation in Thai. How many Thais go to the US, UK, OZ and are too lazy or entitled to learn English? If immigration made passing a simple Thai exam to get yearly extensions there would be an outcry!!

I have Thai friends who said they need to invest 16,000,000 baht as ONE of the requirements to retire in the USA, where their relatives live. 

Absolutely, being allowed to live here permanently is a privilege, not a right. Thailand is developing and trying to be like developed nations and I am happy for them to tighten up immigration laws; I know many that are here who don't qualify to be here - buying visas from immigration/agencies/lying about being in education/volunteering/border-hoppers. 

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6 hours ago, Mark mark said:

(If you can get a Thai AIS ? Sim and have roaming switched on, then you can transfer Money around from your account IN Thailand … 

My wife kept her AIS sim when we came to the US in 2019, and that was such a great move.   She can still pay our condo bills and do her banking.   We planned to travel back in March of this year, but now hoping we can get there by March of next year without all the quarantine nonsense.   

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6 hours ago, nickmondo said:

i totally agree.

people who left Thailand after 20th March only have themselves to blame and should stop moaning.

So what if someone died

So what if you needed to do something

All the stranded made their own choice, so deal with it.

How can anyone moan if they left after Thailand had closed.

Anyone here with the slightest amount of intelligence could see it would be impossible to return.

I feel sorry for the ones who left here prior to March 2020.

But even they would have known that the country was closing on March 20th 2020

So do I have sympathy for them?  Yes, but just a bit.

"So what if someone died"

 

Think I'll put your name forward for " Humanitarian of the Year" award! 

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