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"The Stranded": Highlighting the plight of expats unable to return to Thailand; #2 Retirees


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13 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

Strange that the article does not mention that there is now a relatively easy solution for all 3 cases.  All of them can now apply for a 1-year Non Imm O-A Visa which would allow them to get the COE to return to Thailand.

 

What they say and what they do are 2 different animals  of a different color. And if they were trust worthy it is still and expensive task, with almost impossible time lines and unreasonable requirements. 

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If you are writing these stories to get my sympathy, it is not working.  I have a some sympathy for anyone who left in 2019, but it ends there. If you left this year, could you not have foreseen how t

A slight nuance to the earlier post #1 teachers.  Whilst I see that TVF and Rooster are doing so in good faith and with compassion, to try and make those of us who might be living under a large rock,(

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8 minutes ago, sambum said:

"So what if someone died"

 

Think I'll put your name forward for " Humanitarian of the Year" award! 

Humanitarian? I can think of many more appropriate names. 

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15 minutes ago, 10baht said:

What they say and what they do are 2 different animals  of a different color. And if they were trust worthy it is still and expensive task, with almost impossible time lines and unreasonable requirements. 

I agree its expensive and difficult but a lot of people are now starting to achieve the O-A return according to first hand reports on Facebook.

 

I am considering it myself based on what reports I have read but I still think its going to get easier in a couple of months or so.

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What you write is not correct > it is ONLY when applying for a Special Tourist Visa (STV) that you need to travel from a “LOW-RISK” AREA.

When meeting the criteria (e.g. married to a Thai national, or with a Non Imm O-A Visa) you can apply for the COE at your Thai Embassy/Consulate abroad.

 

You are very naive. Just try, oh you can apply all you want but do not expect to see you COE any time soon. Same for an Elite visa.

The Thai Gov't is run by the military , not trained civilians who may be slow, but can actually accomplish reasonable outcomes.

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5 minutes ago, 10baht said:

You are very naive. Just try, oh you can apply all you want but do not expect to see you COE any time soon.

CoEs are being issued in hours now, there are many reports now from UK of CoE phase 1 being pre-approved in a couple of hours and phase 2 (with hotel and flight details) just as quickly

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15 hours ago, allane said:

If you are writing these stories to get my sympathy, it is not working.  I have a some sympathy for anyone who left in 2019, but it ends there. If you left this year, could you not have foreseen how this thing might have gone ? Even if you could not have seen the exact contours, you should have seen the possibilities.

 

Thanks to you I didn't have to read any further

This is the only truth, no pity no mercy for the one who left.

 

 

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15 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

Strange that the article does not mention that there is now a relatively easy solution for all 3 cases.  All of them can now apply for a 1-year Non Imm O-A Visa which would allow them to get the COE to return to Thailand.

Not so easy; currently in the USA they require the application and all related documents including confirmation of flight and quarantine accommodations 15-days prior to flight. Gathering the documents takes 2-3 weeks. The only flights available are Thai repatriation flights, and are only showing flights through the end of October, and mostly full. Simple stated, today it’s not logistically possible to apply for the visa because of the timeline requirements imposed by Thailand. 
Possible  solutions; would be posting available flights further in advance, or allowing flight date to be changed after confirmation; this would allow ample time to gather and submit application and meet the 15-day prior to flight requirement.

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17 hours ago, Peabody said:

Anyone on the "retirement" extension have any success in getting it renewed at their local consulate, or do we all just lose those too?

I was told by my US consulate that it cannot be done. Therefore you would likely have to do it all over. You can get a 60 day or 6 month tourist visa and then in Thailand convert to retirement visa. After they allow tourist visas. However I was told by the same Washington DC consulate that non O holders can in fact apply online for a certificate of entry. This is for US citizens, on the Washington DC Thai consulate website. I don't know about other countries. This is what it says about types of visas not allowed: "Currently, the following types of visas are NOT permitted to enter Thailand: Tourists visa holders (TR), Transit passengers (TS), Sports visa holders (S), Monks and other religious visa holders (R) and their spouses or children, Volunteers (O), and non-formal students visa holders (such as language schools, diving schools, boxing schools). 
Due to a high number of infection rate, the APEC card holders and the applicants who are currently in the USA and wish to obtain Special Tourist Visa (STV) do not fall under the categories that could enter Thailand at the moment, please check back regularly for any updates."
Oddly, it doesn't prohibit either type of retirement visa. There is a pop up menu showing the types of visas allowed shows "non O residence permit" which I believe is  the non O retirement visa. I have actually been told by immigration employees that there is no such thing as the non O "retirement" visa, that there is only the O-A. That highlights the confusion we all see. For the US application You must provide copy of an e ticket for your flight, and copy of pre paid quarantine. That means you have to spend a lot of money up front yet not know for sure that you will get the COE. I am going to try this, and accept that there is a risk of being turned away at the airport. It looks more likely than not that it will work, and I can't stand the idea of being stuck in the US for the winter. I think the bottom line is if you get the certificate of entry then you get in. This whole thing looks like a matter of pushing all the right buttons on a confusing machine, and if you punch all the right ones you get in. I have a Thai lady friend who works at the airport and I will ask her to ask airport immigration about this. 

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17 hours ago, 19DL86 said:

A slight nuance to the earlier post #1 teachers.  Whilst I see that TVF and Rooster are doing so in good faith and with compassion, to try and make those of us who might be living under a large rock,(therefore unaware) of these scenarios.  But pressuring the current administration and Immigration, not a good move.

Ref Richard Barrow and the TM30 climb down. Just my opinion.

I've lived here a long while and the writing has been on the wall for a large part of the last 10 years, the letters growing larger year after year.  But some people choose to ignore this.  I feel, as do many Expats we are not so much welcomed, nor tolerated as we once might have felt.  Too much shifting sands for my like,ing to warrant investment here.  There's a growing Nationalism right the way across the World from US to UK an increasing hostility to foreigners, and immigrants.  Thailand is no different.

I see a new "flag" being waved how many of those here will ignore this "writing in the wall" - it's started with the "Elite Visa" investments, then the enforcement of funds seasoning in Thai banks for Non O visa applicants.  Then the STV and more recently the starkly frightening requirement of 3MilBt deposit in Govt Bonds or bank, to return to your own Condo.  So on and so.

Only a few days have passed since I read in these very pages that the banks aren't guaranteeing deposits in excess of 1MilBt, after next year, and so too other alarming stories coming out of the financial institutions.

To me it's evident Thailand is financially over stressed and on their way to hell in a hand cart.

Many of these foreigners unable to return or access their accounts might be eyed as easy prey.  Those nominee shareholder "shelf" Companies owning land and houses to circumvent property ownership laws, might be low hanging fruit.

Be very cautious don't ever think what happened in Zimbabwe 40 years ago can't be repeated.  We re living in perilous times and Chinas current attitude and influence must not be taken too lightly.  

Just my thoughts and not in any way professional.

 

your thoughts are wise and prudent, and quite appropriate. For those concerned about funds in Thai banks, for funds transfers into Thailand I recommend OFX. For transfers out of Thailand, I recommend you keep your funds in Kasikorn Bank. You can use their phone app to internationally transfer your funds in your local currency, the fee is about 250 baht, and your funds arrive at your local bank within 24 hours or less. I have been using that process to show my monthly income deposits and then to retrieve my funds as needed back in the US. 

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14 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

No problem sending funds overseas from Thailand with the K-Bank app. 

 

In fact, it literally couldn't get any easier. 

What is the proper name for K-Bank?

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18 hours ago, 19DL86 said:

A slight nuance to the earlier post #1 teachers.  Whilst I see that TVF and Rooster are doing so in good faith and with compassion, to try and make those of us who might be living under a large rock,(therefore unaware) of these scenarios.  But pressuring the current administration and Immigration, not a good move.

Ref Richard Barrow and the TM30 climb down. Just my opinion.

I've lived here a long while and the writing has been on the wall for a large part of the last 10 years, the letters growing larger year after year.  But some people choose to ignore this.  I feel, as do many Expats we are not so much welcomed, nor tolerated as we once might have felt.  Too much shifting sands for my like,ing to warrant investment here.  There's a growing Nationalism right the way across the World from US to UK an increasing hostility to foreigners, and immigrants.  Thailand is no different.

I see a new "flag" being waved how many of those here will ignore this "writing in the wall" - it's started with the "Elite Visa" investments, then the enforcement of funds seasoning in Thai banks for Non O visa applicants.  Then the STV and more recently the starkly frightening requirement of 3MilBt deposit in Govt Bonds or bank, to return to your own Condo.  So on and so.

Only a few days have passed since I read in these very pages that the banks aren't guaranteeing deposits in excess of 1MilBt, after next year, and so too other alarming stories coming out of the financial institutions.

To me it's evident Thailand is financially over stressed and on their way to hell in a hand cart.

Many of these foreigners unable to return or access their accounts might be eyed as easy prey.  Those nominee shareholder "shelf" Companies owning land and houses to circumvent property ownership laws, might be low hanging fruit.

Be very cautious don't ever think what happened in Zimbabwe 40 years ago can't be repeated.  We re living in perilous times and Chinas current attitude and influence must not be taken too lightly.  

Just my thoughts and not in any way professional.

 

Very well said, I might add,,the stories TV published are nowhere near as bad as my friends stuck here in NZ, my own story is worse than those published. Thailand is a Total train wreck, if our governments did what Thailand is doing to Thai people overseas this would probably stop. Violation of human rights is a crime, but hey the world thrives on cruelty to humans, and now humans or the people that rule humans are destroying animals, the planet, and humans.

Buying bunkers is the new normal for the sociopathic maniacs that reek havoc on this world. 

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11 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

I was told this by a Thai colleague so cannot confirm with a link. 

 

I will speak with him again this coming week as to where he obtained the information.

Just ask your Bank's Customer service rep......................that would be the best way to go.

 

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