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5 hours ago, connda said:

I'd bet that the average US retiree is bringing in over 1M THB a year while reinvesting the remainder of the income in the US stock exchange.  Or they have income streams supplemented by an IRA and personal savings.

I'm suppose to believe that some millennial back-packer with a keyboard and up to their eye-balls in student-loan debt is bringing that same amount of money into Thailand and ejecting it into the Thai economy as foreign currency as Boomer retirees?

Really - you people are daft.  Have any of you bothered to research the generational breakdown of what segment of the populations actually has the wealth in places like the US (other than billionaires).
It happens to be the Boomers who are the current crop of retirees.  Yeah, we came here because money goes wayyy further.  For some reason ya'll think that means we're all dirt poor and would be living in HUD housing and eating on food stamps when we're not on the street panhandling for quarters.  Have you ever considered the number of people who simply don't want to deal with the baloney in the "home country" like property taxes, endless regulation, and an in-your-face nanny-state dictating you every move.  I've no property taxes, I don't need permits to build, and other than the hassle of immigration and an occasional roadblock, the government generally stays out of my and my wife's affairs and leaves us alone.  And - money goes further. 
"See - your poor!"
See - your daft. Bluster all you want.  Retirees bring in a significant chunk of money into Thailand.  And they should be let back in asap.  End of story.

Well said.  Agree 100% 

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As someone who spends a lot of time doing voluntary work, but who receives very little thanks from the Thai authorities I understand how these people feel. I nearly went home in March but thankfully d

When is sexpats turn?

They put money which was donated in their own pocket? That's not volunteering, but working, could also be embezzlement if the donors aren't informed about it.

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I'm glad I had my eyes open and during my 11 visits to Thailand in the last 4 years I was smart enough to see this writing on the wall and decided no way will Thailand be my retirement destination.   In fact just like those who ridicule the expats who left Thailand and are now stranded i can say the same about all expats.  

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3 hours ago, T Lee said:

Is this really true/accurate?  I know there's a bloody wave of Brits, Americans, and others residing here, but "the bulk of funding"???  Can anyone please elucidate the rest of us - what are the numbers?  I hear this claim often online and suspect it's the lie that if repeated enough is treated as truth.  Lots of money?  Sure, no doubt.  THE BULK OF FUNDING FOR THE COUNTRY?????   Facts, please, that's all I ask.

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the number for 2018 was 80 000 ''retirment'' visas issued by Thailand

so it's less than 100 000 foreign retirees for a Thai population of 70 millions

the ''realist'' number is around 500 000 thb\year bring in the country by each foreign retirees 

it s a total of 40 billions THB\year for this group

the Thailand GDP was 15 240 billions THB in 2018

you are welcome

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2 hours ago, Bkktodd said:

Tell that to the family i support. 60,000b monthly total is a fair sum for services and living expenses tgat thailand benefits from with just me alone.  That 60k in turn becomes disposable income passed down to to other thai in other sectors.   My money affects all.  

I understand it's a lot of money for you and your family and i know it's important

but from the govermemnt point of view the contribution to the Thai economy from

this group isn't important.

It's something but not enough to put in place specifics actions.

 

Plus even if the foreigners aren't physically in Thailand, the money flow still arrives in Thailand

via western union, transferwise and so on. 

 

If everybody will stop to send money from abroad on a regular basis to her wife\girlfriend

the baht should be less strong and the authorities could be a little bit more concerned.

 

Of course for obvious reasons this will not going to happen, and everybody know it

hence the statu quo

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8 hours ago, connda said:

It happens to be the Boomers who are the current crop of retirees.  Yeah, we came here because money goes wayyy further.  For some reason ya'll think that means we're all dirt poor and would be living in HUD housing and eating on food stamps when we're not on the street panhandling for quarters.  Have you ever considered the number of people who simply don't want to deal with the baloney in the "home country" like property taxes, endless regulation, and an in-your-face nanny-state dictating you every move.  I've no property taxes, I don't need permits to build, and other than the hassle of immigration and an occasional roadblock, the government generally stays out of my and my wife's affairs and leaves us alone.  And - money goes further.

I am not exactly in the million baht a year club,  and i retired here when i was quite young............... but the reasons you state are spot

on.    Just one you left out:   to get away from some types of the men (and women) that have been coming to retire in the more recent past.     You ain't gonna find Rumak hanging out at the Rotary club, talking about my stock portfolio.  i can tell you that much.  

 

When i need a dose of "western attitudes".........  i park my honda dream and sneak onto TV  for a few minutes

 

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11 hours ago, connda said:

I'd have more sympathy for these programs, but honestly?  When I see so called volunteer organizations charging "volunteers" significant sums of money on order to volunteer and freely give of their time and energy - I want to throw up.

So now a "volunteer", if allowed to return, will need to run the Thai regulatory gauntlet, pay for all the additional charges ranging from special insurance to special airline fares to special medical tests to special quarantine hotels, and then once they arrive shell out the equivalent of $200 to $1000 per week for the special opportunity to volunteer? 
Really?  What a racket.  How do I start my own?

Look at it on the bright side. Raising the bar to entry is keeping out garden variety sex predators that precovid only needed to scrape together $375 for a horribly routed flight no sane person would take to come "volunteer" or "mentor."  Case in point the perv that is a crossing guard for a school near here.  Why does he wear sunglasses even when its cloudy???  Definitely don't want  guys like that in Thailand and a few extra hoops to jump through keeps them out.

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12 hours ago, 2530Ubon said:

According to initial survey results, 73.9% of digital nomads in Chiang Mai have a Bachelor’s degree or higher and 56.9% of have at least 11 years professional experience. 40.1% of respondents earn between 50,000 baht to 100,000 baht a month, and 37.8% earn between 100,000 baht to 500,000 baht per month while 4.1% boast earnings of more than 500,000 baht per month.

Working on what kind of a visa?  How many here working on a business visa.  How many are gaming the system to stay here and "work" outside of officially condoned channels.  How many bringing a significance amount of those funds into Thailand, putting those funds into banks, business, and into the Thai tax coffers.?  How many building houses, businesses, and families? 
Nomad Defined: "A person with no fixed residence who roams about; a wanderer.", so people who don't sink roots and have no particular reason to sink money into the economy where they are temporarily residing.
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Have they just found a place where the funds goes way furthers (one of the same reason retirees are here), they don't have to report taxes or pay taxes to Thailand on their earned income (honestly, who knows what they make?), unlike retirees and guys who have families here...Nomads don't need to meet financial requirement to stay.  Nomad - hang out on a tourist or Ed visa and game the system until it's time to move on. No allegiance, no skin in the game, and don't tell me they contribute more to the benefit of the Thai economy than those here on retirement, marriage, and legitimate business visas. Self serving is more like it.

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23 hours ago, darksidedog said:

I don't think the Thais are being deliberately obstructive, it is more that they have so little realisation of what is going on that they can't coordinate themselves properly to sort the mess out.

Good luck to everyone who is stranded.

I agree...and it could also be that the Thai authorities have a lot on their plate, what with the pandemic and political unrest, and the problems of foreign volunteers and missionaries entering Thailand are not high on their priority list.

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8 hours ago, Oliver Holzerfilled said:

Look at it on the bright side. Raising the bar to entry is keeping out garden variety sex predators that precovid only needed to scrape together $375 for a horribly routed flight no sane person would take to come "volunteer" or "mentor."  Case in point the perv that is a crossing guard for a school near here.  Why does he wear sunglasses even when its cloudy???  Definitely don't want  guys like that in Thailand and a few extra hoops to jump through keeps them out.

Do you seriously think a sex predator is someone not having enough money?

As for the ''perv'' near the school, if you have any real reason to suspect him

you shouldn't hesitate to report him to the police, If it's just the sunglasses 

well maybe his eyes are sensitive to lights, or he thinks sunglasses give him more authority in the allure

why not to ask to him the real reason?

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4 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I agree...and it could also be that the Thai authorities have a lot on their plate, what with the pandemic and political unrest, and the problems of foreign volunteers and missionaries entering Thailand are not high on their priority list.

excuse my cynicism ... but more likely what is on their plate is directly related to how they can further their own financial gain and position of power .      same everywhere

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