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13 minutes ago, rumak said:

excuse my cynicism ... but more likely what is on their plate is directly related to how they can further their own financial gain and position of power .      same everywhere

That too.

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As someone who spends a lot of time doing voluntary work, but who receives very little thanks from the Thai authorities I understand how these people feel. I nearly went home in March but thankfully d

When is sexpats turn?

They put money which was donated in their own pocket? That's not volunteering, but working, could also be embezzlement if the donors aren't informed about it.

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I have lived in Thailand for almost 20 years.  I have been on a Retirement Visa the last few years.  I had to go to the USA to clear up my husbands estate in March this year.  I have a return stamp in my passport.  I cannot get back into Thailand to my home.  I have Thai people who depend on me in Thailand.  I have never had the virus.  Stay safe..wear masks.   No one from the embassies wants to listen or they say they do not know.  My Visa is up in February.  I need to go home.  Is there help out there?

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It becomes very clear that Thailand does not have the best governing party in power to look after Thai citizens and Expats, the protests are perhaps not the best way to effect change but maybe the only way in Thailand

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On 10/20/2020 at 10:06 PM, jbinthai said:

I have lived in Thailand for almost 20 years.  I have been on a Retirement Visa the last few years.  I had to go to the USA to clear up my husbands estate in March this year.  I have a return stamp in my passport.  I cannot get back into Thailand to my home.  I have Thai people who depend on me in Thailand.  I have never had the virus.  Stay safe..wear masks.   No one from the embassies wants to listen or they say they do not know.  My Visa is up in February.  I need to go home.  Is there help out there?

very sad story and we expats as a group wish we could help but this forum is the best way to try to get the government to listen

 

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On 10/20/2020 at 10:06 PM, jbinthai said:

I have lived in Thailand for almost 20 years.  I have been on a Retirement Visa the last few years.  I had to go to the USA to clear up my husbands estate in March this year.  I have a return stamp in my passport.  I cannot get back into Thailand to my home.  I have Thai people who depend on me in Thailand.  I have never had the virus.  Stay safe..wear masks.   No one from the embassies wants to listen or they say they do not know.  My Visa is up in February.  I need to go home.  Is there help out there?

There is no such thing as a "retirement visa" in Thailand. I suspect what you had was either a Non-Immigrant O or Non-Immigrant OA visa for entry to Thailand. The visa was "used (cancelled)," when you entered Thailand...and you likely qualified to extend it for "retirement" purposes for a year. You have probably been extending your permission to stay annually since then. Therefore, your legal presence in Thailand is based on "extensions of stays" for 1 year periods...not on having a visa. That is also why you need a Re-Entry Permit when you leave the country...because you have no visa to enter Thailand. The information the embassies and consulates are giving you is correct...foreigners with re-entry permits are not allowed to enter Thailand at the present time. You may want to start over and apply for a new NI-O or NI-OA visa from the nearest Thai consulate or embassy.

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On 10/19/2020 at 7:47 PM, Ketyo said:

So many people want to be victims in this "me too" world.

 

What about all the people who were stranded in Thailand when the lockdown started? They were desperate to get back to their home countries but were stranded. Headlines were full of stories about people stranded in Thailand and Cambodia and New Zealand and .....and their governments weren't laying on flights to get them home. So governments laid on flights to get their stranded citizens back home.

 

And now the headlines are full of people stranded at home who cant get back to Thailand.

 

Are they the same people? Some people want to be victims all their lives.

 

The above while a generalization is so true.  I too can remember so many expat scary nellies which could hardly wait to get out of Thailand, many foreign embassies had to organize private charter planes and book reservations -and in part sponsor this "get them home" by all means. Presently, so many can't wait to get back here and complain if they can't, just now.  The cards turned on them, it was/is safe to stay here and far more health risky to those whom went back home.  

 

Also consider the expat community which spend money here...this money circulates via the multiplier effect as is know in economics. So a Bill Baht spent, snowballs in fact many times over.

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7 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

There is no such thing as a "retirement visa" in Thailand. I suspect what you had was either a Non-Immigrant O or Non-Immigrant OA visa for entry to Thailand. The visa was "used" when entered Thailand and you likely qualified to extend it for "retirement" purposes for a year. You have probably been extending your permission to stay annually since then. Therefore, your legal presence in Thailand is based on "extensions of stays" for 1 year periods...not on having a visa. That is also why you need a Re-Entry Permit when you leave the country...because you have no visa to enter Thailand. The information the embassies and consulates are giving you is correct...foreigners with re-entry permits are not permitted to enter Thailand at the present time. You may want to start over and apply for a new NI-O or NI-OA visa from the nearest Thai consulate or embassy.

I gave your post a 'Like' for the clear and correct explanation on the difference between a  Visa and an Extension of stay.  Thanks for that.

But I wonder about the last paragraph you wrote...

The websites of the Embassies/Consulates do NOT indicate that Re-Entry Permits are not permitted.  They state that you need a 'valid Visa'.  Of course if they are using the term 'Visa' correctly, you are right.  But I am not so sure about that given that in-country Immigration Offices also often refer to Extensions of Stay as Visa, so it is well possible that Embassies/Consulates who are only familiar with the Visas that they issue, use the term in a broader sense and that it includes still valid permissions to stay of Visa that already expired.  

I guess we have to wait for a report of someone on a Re-Entry Permit protected Extension of Stay of his Visa, that was provided a COE.

And even with such a case it would not mean that every Embassy/Consulate would use that interpretation...

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We are just now globally entering the darkest period of this CV19 health fiasco. As over the next few weeks-or say 2 months both in the US and EU new cases will/keep sky rocketing (but death % rates have stabilized).  Yet, its a matter of weeks until a vaccine or a cure or likely both, come on stream. This will change the sentiment for the better because even if its not widely available to say until Q2 2021, it will signal the light at the end of the tunnel and things here and elsewhere will get less paranoid.

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24 minutes ago, thaistocks said:

 

The above while a generalization is so true.  I too can remember so many expat scary nellies which could hardly wait to get out of Thailand, many foreign embassies had to organize private charter planes and book reservations -and in part sponsor this "get them home" by all means. Presently, so many can't wait to get back here and complain if they can't, just now.  The cards turned on them, it was/is safe to stay here and far more health risky to those whom went back home.  

 

Also consider the expat community which spend money here...this money circulates via the multiplier effect as is know in economics. So a Bill Baht spent, snowballs in fact many times over.

Maybe their governments can organize ex-patriation flights back to Thailand.

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All those with valid visa's and reentry permits, that have not been allowed to return, need to file lawsuits in their countries and in Thailand now that they have allowed Chinese tourists with this new visa.

 

Pressure needs to be put on Thailand. This is in my opinion illegal.

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18 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

I gave your post a 'Like' for the clear and correct explanation on the difference between a  Visa and an Extension of stay.  Thanks for that.

But I wonder about the last paragraph you wrote...

The websites of the Embassies/Consulates do NOT indicate that Re-Entry Permits are not permitted.  They state that you need a 'valid Visa'.  Of course if they are using the term 'Visa' correctly, you are right.  But I am not so sure about that given that in-country Immigration Offices also often refer to Extensions of Stay as Visa, so it is well possible that Embassies/Consulates who are only familiar with the Visas that they issue, use the term in a broader sense and that it includes still valid permissions to stay of Visa that already expired.  

I guess we have to wait for a report of someone on a Re-Entry Permit protected Extension of Stay of his Visa, that was provided a COE.

And even with such a case it would not mean that every Embassy/Consulate would use that interpretation...

Yes, the question you pose is an interesting one. The Re-Entry Permits are valid until the extension of stay expires...unfortunately, the entry restrictions are going on so long that many retirees are seeing their stay extensions/re-entry permits expire. I foresee many having to start the process over again with a new visa.

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12 minutes ago, KhunKenAP said:

All those with valid visa's and reentry permits, that have not been allowed to return, need to file lawsuits in their countries and in Thailand now that they have allowed Chinese tourists with this new visa.

 

Pressure needs to be put on Thailand. This is in my opinion illegal.

Good luck with that strategy 55555555555555555

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51 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

There is no such thing as a "retirement visa" in Thailand. I suspect what you had was either a Non-Immigrant O or Non-Immigrant OA visa for entry to Thailand. The visa was "used (cancelled)," when you entered Thailand...and you likely qualified to extend it for "retirement" purposes for a year. You have probably been extending your permission to stay annually since then. Therefore, your legal presence in Thailand is based on "extensions of stays" for 1 year periods...not on having a visa. That is also why you need a Re-Entry Permit when you leave the country...because you have no visa to enter Thailand. The information the embassies and consulates are giving you is correct...foreigners with re-entry permits are not allowed to enter Thailand at the present time. You may want to start over and apply for a new NI-O or NI-OA visa from the nearest Thai consulate or embassy.

I do wish people that need a visa, extensions etc would stop saying that Thailand is their "home". It's not. One does not need a visa to go "home". Unless one has PR or citizenship one is an alien.

 

Also, seems that some think that they are a special case because they have dependents or spend money in Thailand. They are not. They are just one among thousands all wanting to be singled out for special treatment. Not going to happen, IMO.

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