EU tells Britain to make up its mind as Brexit deal 'within reach'

[Matzzon]

21 minutes ago, vogie said:

"I understand you're tired" is a personal attack, which is what you do.

When you say "Yeah, then I think you realise who drew the shorter stick in this game" were you referring to Outer Mongolia? Stop being disingenuous, you are already in a hole, time to stop digging.

Again your post for all to see.⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️

 

"When you look at UK the UK population with about 68 million citizens, and that there is losses already of over 750 000 jobs. That as well as a very high risk of close to a million more jobs to go away. Yeah, then I think you realize who draw the shorter stick in this game."

What? Personal attack? It was you that said you were tired. I just said that I understand your peculiar situation. However, I also assumed that you had hard to focus and realize what you in reality was the reason to you being tired. Enough with that. No personal attack at all. It was you that brought the tired subject up in the discussion.

 

So, then you mean that you accuse me for wishing that UK suffers more, just because I highlighted who will come out with most problem? To compare two things and draw a conclusion is not at all same as making or delivering a wish. The one that is digging is you, and probably searching for a way to understand the difference. Good Luck!

[robblok]

8 hours ago, vogie said:

So you're happy if both sides suffer badly, just as long as the UK suffers the most. I really think you need a reality check.

Best would be a deal. But you got a clown for a PM who breaks international agreements. Maybe you should get a reality check. The guy lied so much about how easy it would be and you still have trust ?

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, robblok said:

Its worse for the Brits, something you don't seem to understand.  Now the Brits wanted to leave (up to them) then  play rough. Then no deal. I was always for a deal but when BJ started breaking international agreements I changed my mind. Sometimes little children need to learn not to play with fire as they might get burned. 

 

But I understand the Brits with their fishing rights they should hold their ground. But thinking they don't have to abide by the rules for access to the 1 big market is stupid. If they don't agree there is no level playingfield something the EU would never agree too. 

 

I was always for a deal.. right now no deal sounds good to me. Hurts the Brits more then it does us. Sad but when they don't seem to understand their position they need to learn it the hard way. Never any access to the market unless you abide by the rules. It would lead to unfair competition something we did our best to remove if the EU did not stick to that rule. 

"Sometimes little children need to learn not to play with fire as they might get burned."

 

Do you think commenting on a topic without a patronizing remark might be better than disrespecting another country. But in your defence your insults are hardly limited to you alone, why do the Euros feel the need to have a 'dig' on everyone of their posts, after all it hardly helps the entente cordiale now does it. Try to be a better man rob, you know it makes sense.

[Loiner]

As the negotiations draw to a close without Boris capitulating as they thought, the Euros are becoming much more spiteful and vociferous. It’s not like dealing with Theresa the appeaser anymore is it?

 

Due to the plotting and schemings of our own Remainers it has taken much longer than it should, but we will be fully free soon. It will be No Deal too, mostly due to their obstinacy, but we’ll take that. They could have a sensible deal if they really really wanted, but their politicians sound like the Europosts here. 

[Matzzon]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

"I understand you're tired" is a personal attack, which is what you do.

When you say "Yeah, then I think you realise who drew the shorter stick in this game" were you referring to Outer Mongolia? Stop being disingenuous, you are already in a hole, time to stop digging.

Again your post for all to see.⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️

 

"When you look at UK the UK population with about 68 million citizens, and that there is losses already of over 750 000 jobs. That as well as a very high risk of close to a million more jobs to go away. Yeah, then I think you realize who draw the shorter stick in this game."

Yes, my post for all to see once again: Thanks you for confirming your mistake and the fact that you are totally wrong.

As you can se, the post turned out to be popular and has been rewarded 7 likes. So, I guess that will show you that re-posting my information does not have your desired effect. Sorrey! Nice try, though. Better luck next time! ???? 

[RayC]

53 minutes ago, Loiner said:

 

Due to the plotting and schemings of our own Remainers it has taken much longer than it should.

More like due to May not knowing what she wanted, and Johnson insisting on a deal that is not available.

 

53 minutes ago, Loiner said:

It will be No Deal too, mostly due to their obstinacy, but we’ll take that. 

You'll take it. You don't speak for me or thousands of UK exporters to the UK. I doubt that you even speak for the majority of the 52%.

[Matzzon]

53 minutes ago, Loiner said:

As the negotiations draw to a close without Boris capitulating as they thought, the Euros are becoming much more spiteful and vociferous. It’s not like dealing with Theresa the appeaser anymore is it?

 

Due to the plotting and schemings of our own Remainers it has taken much longer than it should, but we will be fully free soon. It will be No Deal too, mostly due to their obstinacy, but we’ll take that. They could have a sensible deal if they really really wanted, but their politicians sound like the Europosts here. 

Negotiations? That could only be possible if Boris had a clue of what that is and how they are done. Just look at how this man made an a*se out of himself in more than one country as a foreign minister. After that he is chosen as prime minister buy the people. Really!? However, he is on a roll and is continuing he´s streak of mistakes.

What you are really trying to post here is that the EU is full of obstinate and unfair people,while Boris id all fair and a good guy that want what´s best for all. Do you really believe that?If so, then all hope is gone. ???? 

[evadgib]

34 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Yes, my post for all to see once again: Thanks you for confirming your mistake and the fact that you are totally wrong.

As you can se, the post turned out to be popular and has been rewarded 7 likes. So, I guess that will show you that re-posting my information does not have your desired effect. Sorrey! Nice try, though. Better luck next time! ???? 

If you weren't on so many iggy lists there would no doubt be a few more negative ones.

 

Welcome to mine ????

Edited October 23, 2020 by evadgib

[david555]

36 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Negotiations? That could only be possible if Boris had a clue of what that is and how they are done. Just look at how this man made an a*se out of himself in more than one country as a foreign minister. After that he is chosen as prime minister buy the people. Really!? However, he is on a roll and is continuing he´s streak of mistakes.

What you are really trying to post here is that the EU is full of obstinate and unfair people,while Boris id all fair and a good guy that want what´s best for all. Do you really believe that?If so, then all hope is gone. ???? 

 

Never mind those called "negotiations " Macron has already several country's on his hand to vetoes a deal ….., he stands his cause  , so no unanimous vote possible unless U.K. change to become reasonable....., would like to see BORIS  handle his "Australia deal  " .????

 

From Brexiteers source : 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1351417/Brexit-news-latest-fishing-barnier-frost-London-talks-eu-boris-johnson

 11:41, Fri, Oct 23, 2020 | UPDATED: 11:42, Fri, Oct 23, 2020

Fishing war: Brexit battle as FIVE EU states team up to force Boris U-turn

 

FIVE EU member states have banded together to call for the bloc's fishermen to be protected under a trade deal with the UK, as Michel Barnier and David Frost meet in London for talks.

Ireland, France, Belgium, Denmark and the Netherlands will “remain united” in their position that coastal communities across the continent must be protected under any post-Brexit free trade deal. Boats from the five nations have benefitted massively from fishing in Britain’s rich waters and as trade talks enter the final phase leaders are wary of losing access.

Edited October 23, 2020 by david555

[Loiner]

49 minutes ago, RayC said:

More like due to May not knowing what she wanted, and Johnson insisting on a deal that is not available.

 

You'll take it. You don't speak for me or thousands of UK exporters to the UK. I doubt that you even speak for the majority of the 52%.

 

May knew what she wanted - to kowtow to the EU and try to trick us into the Merkel/May Surrender Treaty. Boris is delivering Breixt, with a deal that respects it, or No Deal.

 

I speak for all of us now, whether you like it or not. We will be out and not capitulating to the EU.

[david555]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/23/uk-presses-for-use-of-faster-passport-gates-at-eu-airports-post-brexit

UK presses for use of faster passport gates at EU airports post-Brexit
Exclusive: European commission insists letting UK nationals use e-gates would breach EU law

 

 

 

Boris Johnson has clashed with Brussels over an 11th-hour attempt to save British passport holders from hours of delays at European airports from the end of the year.

The government is seeking continued use by UK nationals of the automatic e-gates used by EU nationals at airports and Eurostar terminals. The move is seen by the European commission as an attempt to keep Britons in faster lanes rather than having to queue up with the rest of the world after the end of the transition period.

 

Studies suggest the loss of access to automatic gates and the need for extra passport checks could delay Britons by an extra hour as they move through some European airports. The issue has been raised in the ongoing trade and security negotiations, and the government has made contact with a number of member states in an attempt to retain access to the e-gates.

 

Edited October 23, 2020 by david555

[Loiner]

51 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Negotiations? That could only be possible if Boris had a clue of what that is and how they are done. Just look at how this man made an a*se out of himself in more than one country as a foreign minister. After that he is chosen as prime minister buy the people. Really!? However, he is on a roll and is continuing he´s streak of mistakes.

What you are really trying to post here is that the EU is full of obstinate and unfair people,while Boris id all fair and a good guy that want what´s best for all. Do you really believe that?If so, then all hope is gone. ???? 

 

This one is getting even more spiteful and vociferous with every post. It must be because Boris has made an a*rse out of all his EU masters. And they call Boris a clown, but can't understand why he has a landslide majority in the government.

 

We are nearly there. EU obstinacy through Macron and Barnier will only aid our leap into new freedom. I'm afraid all hope is gone for you Euros now.

[Loiner]

24 minutes ago, david555 said:

Ireland, France, Belgium, Denmark and the Netherlands will “remain united” in their position that coastal communities across the continent must be protected under any post-Brexit free trade deal. Boats from the five nations have benefitted massively from fishing in Britain’s rich waters and as trade talks enter the final phase leaders are wary of losing access.

 

They will all have to share their quotas in the Irish waters now. They had better find some more space for the Spanish and Portuguese fishermen too.

[vogie]

57 minutes ago, evadgib said:

If you weren't on so many iggy lists there would no doubt be a few more negative ones.

 

Welcome to mine ????

Yes on my iggy list too, bragging about how many likes he has been given by the usual suspects, you couldn't make it up, anybody that insults the UK will get a like from these people. Still birds of a feather.

[RayC]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

Yes on my iggy list too, bragging about how many likes he has been given by the usual suspects, you couldn't make it up, anybody that insults the UK will get a like from these people. Still birds of a feather.

You're on 'My holier than thou' list, Vogie.

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

You're on 'My holier than thou' list, Vogie.

Is that the same list 49 started.????????????

[Matzzon]

41 minutes ago, Loiner said:

 

This one is getting even more spiteful and vociferous with every post. It must be because Boris has made an a*rse out of all his EU masters. And they call Boris a clown, but can't understand why he has a landslide majority in the government.

 

We are nearly there. EU obstinacy through Macron and Barnier will only aid our leap into new freedom. I'm afraid all hope is gone for you Euros now.

2015 : 1 pound was over 1,4 euro. Today: 1 pound about 1,1 euro. That about how long time it has been talk about until the process started as well as soon finished to leave EU. 

Actually: IT LOOKS VERY HOPEFUL FOR THE EURO!

[evadgib]

12 minutes ago, vogie said:

Yes on my iggy list too, bragging about how many likes he has been given by the usual suspects, you couldn't make it up, anybody that insults the UK will get a like from these people. Still birds of a feather.

I can feel a tik-tock video coming on ????

('Welcome to my iggy list' to the tune by Ian Dury!)

[Loiner]

24 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

2015 : 1 pound was over 1,4 euro. Today: 1 pound about 1,1 euro. That about how long time it has been talk about until the process started as well as soon finished to leave EU. 

Actually: IT LOOKS VERY HOPEFUL FOR THE EURO!

Sorry, you must have mistaken me for somebody who gives two monkeys, cos I don’t. 

Try find somebody who’s interested in your currency baiting. 

[vogie]

President Macron has finally buckled and admitted that France will not be fishing in the UK waters in January and will get what the UK offers him. 

 

"PARIS/BRUSSELS (Reuters) - France is preparing its fishing industry for a smaller catch after Brexit, industry members said, in a sign that President Emmanuel Macron is laying the ground for a delicate compromise to help the European Union strike a trade deal with Britain."

 

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2781P3

 

 

[Scott]

Inflammatory posts removed.  

 

[RayC]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

 

I speak for all of us now, whether you like it or not. We will be out and not capitulating to the EU.

No. You still don't speak for me or many others, no matter what you think.

[luckyluke]

55 minutes ago, vogie said:

President Macron has finally buckled... 

 

 

Quid pro quo.

It remains to be seen what the E.U. will obtain from the U.K. in lieu of this concession. 

 

But for Mr. Macron it seems to be a personal defeat. 

Or here also :

Quid pro quo. 

 

[david555]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

President Macron has finally buckled and admitted that France will not be fishing in the UK waters in January and will get what the UK offers him. 

 

"PARIS/BRUSSELS (Reuters) - France is preparing its fishing industry for a smaller catch after Brexit, industry members said, in a sign that President Emmanuel Macron is laying the ground for a delicate compromise to help the European Union strike a trade deal with Britain."

 

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2781P3

 

 

So this article rom the ultra brexiteers tabloid leage was not true ...? How dare they ...as always claiming the trueth...????

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1351417/Brexit-news-latest-fishing-barnier-frost-London-talks-eu-boris-johnson

 

You can never trust them any more ...????????

Edited October 23, 2020 by david555

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

No. You still don't speak for me or many others, no matter what you think.

Well I’m not going to sit in the corner, sulking about losing, and continually moaning for you. 

[evadgib]

Fishing related update of sorts from HMG:

Additional mackerel quota in area 7d

Quote

Following engagement with industry, the Marine Management Organisation (MMO) is offering non-sector vessels in both under and over 10m categories access to two more tonnes of mackerel quota in area 7d

 

[melvinmelvin]

3 hours ago, vogie said:

President Macron has finally buckled and admitted that France will not be fishing in the UK waters in January and will get what the UK offers him. 

 

"PARIS/BRUSSELS (Reuters) - France is preparing its fishing industry for a smaller catch after Brexit, industry members said, in a sign that President Emmanuel Macron is laying the ground for a delicate compromise to help the European Union strike a trade deal with Britain."

 

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2781P3

 

 

 

do I spot a possible opportunity for an entertaining wager here?

 

BJ and Macron entering into their personal U-turn contest

 

mebbee bring out the Stig!

 

[Scott]

Troll post removed.   It's a discussion forum, not a photography forum.  

 

[transam]

9 hours ago, vogie said:

President Macron has finally buckled and admitted that France will not be fishing in the UK waters in January and will get what the UK offers him. 

 

"PARIS/BRUSSELS (Reuters) - France is preparing its fishing industry for a smaller catch after Brexit, industry members said, in a sign that President Emmanuel Macron is laying the ground for a delicate compromise to help the European Union strike a trade deal with Britain."

 

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2781P3

 

 

Which just shows how DESPERATE the EU is, yet, the euro guys here have been spending weeks posting UK doom and gloom.......The UK moves on to its future....

David555 and Matzzon can now spend their time counting their purported piles of Euro's....

 

 

[transam]

9 hours ago, Matzzon said:

2015 : 1 pound was over 1,4 euro. Today: 1 pound about 1,1 euro. That about how long time it has been talk about until the process started as well as soon finished to leave EU. 

Actually: IT LOOKS VERY HOPEFUL FOR THE EURO!

So what, why do you keep talking about your money...?

 

You don't seem to understand that the UK does not want to be part of your compound, now we are not, we move on with our freedom from the future U.S. of G...