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9 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Some of what I'm reading in the OP doesn't seem to match what I've been reading re the vaccine research efforts... Let me see what I have saved...

 

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3624430-key-u-s-covidminus-19-vaccine-trials-set-to-resume

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https://seekingalpha.com/news/3624369-fda-ad-com-tomorrow-on-development-authorization-of-covidminus-19-vaccines

Note the reference above to safety and efficacy for special populations such as kids and pregnant women...

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All from Seeking Alpha...day trade much? (Maybe not the best source for SARS-CoV-2 virus information.) And all just re-peating PR press releases from the companies involved with vaccines to tout or Op. Warp Speed director, who has an agenda to push. 

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No one has done more to help others in poorer countries than Bill Gates $93 Billion of his own money dedicated to others. You people are absolute roasters claiming there is some spurious ludicrou

Personally,  I am very fortunate not to live every day waking up to Covid panic.   Last year 3 nice men in clean white shirts came to my door and handed my some brochures .  They assured me

One day someone will count how many extra people died of heart disease and stroke as a result of these insane lock downs that caused people to reduce their exercise and gain weight.

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Moderna could have Covid-19 test results next month, EUA in December - CEO Bancel

Oct. 20, 2020 3:18 AM ET|About: Moderna, Inc. (MRNA)|By: Yoel Minkoff, SA News Editor
 

The U.S. could authorize emergency use of Moderna's (NASDAQ:MRNA) experimental COVID-19 vaccine in December, according to CEO Stéphane Bancel, if the company gets positive interim results in November from a large clinical trial.
 

The comments suggest Moderna's timetable isn't that far off from Pfizer's (NYSE:PFE), which said last week it expects to seek U.S. authorization of emergency use of its vaccine by late November.
 

Pfizer, which is working with Germany's BioNTech (NASDAQ:BNTX) has already manufactured "several hundred thousand doses" at its plant in Puurs, Belgium, according to the Daily Mail. The pharma giant hopes to make 100M doses available this year, a figure that will be dwarfed by the 1.3B the company aims to manufacture in 2021.

 

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3623490-moderna-covidminus-19-test-results-next-month-eua-in-december-ceo-bancel

 

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Pfizer and Moderna pivotal studies on COVID-19 vaccines near enrollment targets

Oct. 19, 2020 12:58 PM ET|About: Pfizer Inc. (PFE)|By: Douglas W. House, SA News Editor
 

COVID-19 vaccine developers Pfizer (PFE +0.6%)/BioNTech SE (BNTX +0.5%) and Moderna (MRNA -2.9%) are closing in on their respective enrollment objectives in their large-scale pivotal studies.
 

As of today, Pfizer/BioNTech's 44K-subject Phase 2/3 study evaluating BNT162b2 has enrolled 39,862 participants, 34,601 of which have received the second shot.
 

As of Friday, October 16, Moderna has enrolled 29,521 participants in its 30K-subject Phase 3 study of mRNA-1273, 24,496 of which have received the second jab.

 

 

PS -- It's not "virus" information.  But it is a good source for the news that's being reported directly by the various companies working on vaccines...  Obviously, not the same as medical journal content.

 

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39 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

It wouldn't surprise me if the BCG and Flu jabs prove just as effective.  They are both safe and proven.

 

The solution to covid19, imo, could be widescale infection with a lesser coronavirus: the sort that gives you a runny nose and little else.

These lesser coronaviruses are already widespread so that rules out your big idea.

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32 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

All from Seeking Alpha...day trade much? (Maybe not the best source for SARS-CoV-2 virus information.) And all just re-peating PR press releases from the companies involved with vaccines to tout or Op. Warp Speed director, who has an agenda to push. 

Well of course the vaccine companies are the ones who know how effective their vaccines are because none of them have yet published the efficacy data. It's not perfect but it's a lot better than just pulling the 30% figure out of your <deleted>, which is what the author of the article you posted seems to have done.

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if they dont the only remaining optiion is self contained breathing helmets when you go outside..like sme HG wells sci fi ..the yanks are slow with the helmets

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For the U.S. CV vaccine approval process -- the government supposedly is going to require at least 50% success rate in protecting against contracting the virus.

 

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PHASE 3 EFFICACY TRIALS: Scientists give the vaccine to thousands of people and wait to see how many become infected, compared with volunteers who received a placebo. These trials can determine if the vaccine protects against the coronavirus. In June, the F.D.A. advised vaccine makers that they would want to see evidence that vaccines can protect at least 50 percent of those who receive it. In addition, Phase 3 trials are large enough to reveal evidence of relatively rare side effects that might be missed in earlier studies.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html

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Whether they work or not, as long as there are no serious side effects they will be rolled out asap. Once the most needy are jabbed the testing will decrease and the amplification of the tests will also decrease, job done and back to normal. I'm sure covid-19 will still be around but just put down to pneumonia or flu.

 

This crazy world can't continue for much longer like this otherwise economies will be smashed for decades and also protests are becoming more common all over the place, those will need to be kept in check or not depending if you like them.

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57 minutes ago, Sambotte said:

And by the way there is 60 Million deaths per year in the world.

Road accident, heart diseases, cancers, obesity, etc. Even DIARRHEA kills way more.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/the-top-10-causes-of-death

Crazy world.

 

 

This year, CV in the U.S. -- which hasn't taken virus prevention measures seriously overall -- will be the third leading cause of death behind only cancer and heart disease.  More than 220,000 deaths already in just over half a year, and likely heading to between 300K and almost 400K for the full year since the outbreak began.

 

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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm

 

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https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=total-deaths&tab=trend

 

The U.S. CDC just recently estimated that the CV pandemic caused nearly 300,000 extra deaths in the United States through early October.

 

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The new tally includes not only deaths known to have been directly caused by the coronavirus, but also roughly 100,000 fatalities that are indirectly related and would not have occurred if not for the virus.

The study, published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, is an attempt to measure “excess deaths” — deaths from all causes that statistically exceed those normally occurring in a certain time period. The total included deaths from Covid-19, the illness caused by the coronavirus, that were misclassified or missed altogether.

Many experts believe this measure tracks the pandemic’s impact more accurately than official Covid-19 death reports do, and they warn that the death toll may continue an inexorable climb if policies are not put in effect to contain the spread.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/health/coronavirus-excess-deaths.html

 

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26 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

For the U.S. CV vaccine approval process -- the government supposedly is going to require at least 50% success rate in protecting against contracting the virus.

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html

Yes that's what the FDA has said is their standard to green-light a vaccine...about the same efficacy as the annual influenza vaccine. Basically a coin toss if you get infected or not after getting the vaccine...doesn't sound that great to me.

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