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Sudan becomes third Arab state to set aside hostilities with Israel this year


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45 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Removing Sudan from the terrorist list. Thats a huge quid pro quo.

 

I think that since things calmed down some in Sudan, the USA was hoping for this to be resolved one way or another, and this was a convenient enough situation to sort it out - without any side losing too much face or credibility.

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13 hours ago, Sujo said:

Removing Sudan from the terrorist list. Thats a huge quid pro quo.

 

Not sure if Sudanese civilians are concerned about an accusation from Uncle Sam outside the UN charter.

 

Most of these Sudanese citizens don’t accept the signing of the deal by their transitional government.

 

Latest protests in Khartoum and Jerusalem can make us dream that there’s a real democracy in the region.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/24/sudans-political-parties-reject-israeli-normalisation-deal

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13 hours ago, Morch said:

The Trump administration approach dodges the main issues, and seeks to create an atmosphere of progress, which supposedly will lead to...something.

I suspect this is a Netanyahu initiative, and that for him it's resolving something that has always been the "main issue" (other than avoiding ending up in jail for corruption). ie Arab enabling of Palestinian intransigence* combined with goading Palestinians into continued conflict with Israel**. This leaves the Palestinians with a far weaker bargaining position, which might just be a recipe for some kind peace. (Ironically, via a kind of anti-BDS delivered from the heart of the Arab world...)

 

*Itself enabled by Arab oil revenues which reduced energy intensity of GDP & US shale oil have already made somewhat irrelevant, and whose irrelevance will only increase as electrific/clean energy replacement progresses.

 

**eg by denying them citizenship & forcing them to live as refugees for decades.

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10 hours ago, Thorgal said:

 

Not sure if Sudanese civilians are concerned about an accusation from Uncle Sam outside the UN charter.

 

Most of these Sudanese citizens don’t accept the signing of the deal by their transitional government.

 

Latest protests in Khartoum and Jerusalem can make us dream that there’s a real democracy in the region.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/24/sudans-political-parties-reject-israeli-normalisation-deal

 

Oh, I'm positive that they were concerned about the implications of being on the USA's little black book. This tends to have negative effects on a country's economy and aid options. The 'outside the UN charter' bit is as usual for your posts, unclear. The list mentioned in the OP is a USA government list, and does not require any sort of 'UN charter' satisfied.

 

I have no idea if most Sudanese citizens accept the agreement or not. The link you provided relates the views of political parties, and overall reads more like playing the domestic politics field more than anything else. But generally, yes - decades of indoctrination cannot be easily undone by signing an agreement. In the same way, the peace agreements between Israel and its two neighbors (Egypt and Jordan) are not popular with the two countries' citizens. For all that, the agreements stands, as leaderships see them as more beneficial to either country's interests - despite the the occasional public opinion hits.

 

As for your last nonsense comment - democracy is a matter of degree. You want to try and claim the situation of democracy is exactly the same in these two countries, or for that matter, the region? Go right ahead, it will be mildly amusing to see the convulsed arguments on offer. Protests, by the way, can be seen as citizens able to express a democratic right, not automatically implying the absence of democracy. 

 

While it is dodgy for a provisional, un-elected government to sign international agreements, it has to be noted that governments in general do not go for a referendum on such matters - even when the agreement implies going against political platforms or voters wishes.

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