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French Woman Contracted COVID after Quarantine


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1 minute ago, sirocco said:

POLPOTT,   

It's great to have your own theory, but are you currently in Thailand?
Certainly, in Thailand, the majority of residents wear the masks.
I can observe it during my walks, my visits to shopping centers or mini markets.
As for distance, I really have doubts when I see, in rare restaurants, people huddled around tables, or huddling against each other to help themselves for the umpteenth time in the salad bars.
I regularly receive invitations for parties, I regularly receive photos of these parties.
The last photos and the story of a Saturday night party in a large hotel were edifying.
Under the guise of the tourism authority and local authorities, a promotion campaign was organized.
More than 300 guests were present, without masks, except the waiters, arms around the shoulders of the guests, sticking together to take the photos, the hugs.
The total, what.

Yes I live in Thailand. I was talking about social distancing in public. Yes, close friends and family in private is different, but that's not necessarily against the scientific advice. Much more natural social distancing and less of an aversion to wearing masks in Thailand than US/UK.

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On 10/25/2020 at 7:06 AM, Sheryl said:

Bangkok Post article today. Strongly suggests she got infected while in quarantine. Which is what would be most consistent with the timing of her symptoms and positive test.

So to find out that quarantine, lock downs etc wont really help. It just slows the proces. Herd immunity is the fastest way to brings us back to the normal life. 

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Unless obtained through mass vaccination, there is nothing fast about developing herd immunity and the process would exact a horrendous toll on the health system and the population.

 

Even in parts of the world severely ravaged by COVID initially (to the point of total collapse of the health system, leading to many deaths from non-COVID diseases as =well), only 15-20% were infected. Needs at least 60-70% to have "herd immunity".

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On 10/25/2020 at 3:10 PM, Grumpy John said:

As I have explained previously there are 70+ government hospitals throughout the provinces of Thailand.  If each hospital had one extra person die each week it's not going to show up as anything drastic like 70 dying in the one hospital.  And they can claim the death was due to pneumonia or heart disease or diabetes and how can you dispute a death certificate signed by a doctor?  That's about 3600 deaths in a year.  Those dying from pneumonia or heart disease or diabetes would run into the hundreds of thousands a year!

A distorted theory.

Deaths in Thailand, like every other country,  are recorded. Currently the death rate is around 400K per annum and rising due to an ageing population.

The split is around 71% due to non communicable diseases, 17% due to communicable disease/maternal/nutrition and 12% due to injury.

In the first half of this year the total deaths were about 2% above the long term average, by comparison the UK was something like 43% above the long term average.

If as you are trying to suggest there are thousands of additional deaths because of the pandemic it will show up in the figures in due course.

In the meantime I will go by what I see in the hospital, no panic, no congestion, no hazard suits, just basic precautions, and it has been that way for months.

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On 10/25/2020 at 4:28 PM, ThailandRyan said:

She is a Thai national with French citizenship married to a Frenchman 

 

 

Does she have dual citizenship? Then why did the press state she is French instead of Thai?

 

The press is quite misleading..

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4 minutes ago, EricTh said:

 

 

Does she have dual citizenship? Then why did the press state she is French instead of Thai?

 

The press is quite misleading..

 

What possible difference does it make?

 

Why focus on her nationality and visa status?

 

The story is that someone came here uninfected and got infected while in quarantine.

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1 hour ago, Flying Saucage said:

 

Most of the Thai press is controlled, and those who control the press make up the narratives. The agenda is to make Thais believe that the government must protect them against dirty and dangerous foreigners. Therefore she became a French woman after beeing tested positiv, and therefore being "dirty", I guess.

 

This is an extremly interesting and very well written scientific analysis of the Thai psyche, by Jiraporn Laocharoenwong, Faculty of Political Science, Chulalongkorn University, and PhD of Faculty of Social and Bahavioural Sciences, University of Amsterdam. The article is published by Heinrich Böll Foundation:

 

https://th.boell.org/en/2020/10/08/covid-19-health-borders-and-purity-thai-nation

 

The arcticle describes quite well what is going on now with the "French"-woman.

 

I agree to all the points stated in the article, except that Jiraporn (still claims to) trust(s) the governmental Covid numbers, and that it does not refer to the highly likely (but of course unproven) Chinese backing of an involvment into Thailands Corona policy. Both points are off-topic for Jiraporns study and also contradict political correctness in Thailand, though, and probably were neglected therefore.

 

The article is worth to read as it helps to understand the Thai paranoia about Covid. It also explains well how even Thai citizens like migrant workers can become victims of the Thai xenophobia. This is what's happening to this "French" Thai woman now.

 

 

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On 10/26/2020 at 4:50 PM, Sheryl said:

 

What possible difference does it make?

 

Why focus on her nationality and visa status?

 

The story is that someone came here uninfected and got infected while in quarantine.

The difference is the government can say she is farang, 
it would not have gotten so much attention if they stated ... "Thai citizen tested positive">>
nor would we have seen 13 pages here....

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On 10/25/2020 at 6:48 PM, jerolamo said:

Why don't you go To Lao... they said only 2 die from COVID.

Are you serious ? can you really trust this number ? Ho come on...

I'd like to visit Lao, especially Luang Prabang, but don't have the money. The good COVID-19 numbers are not my reason(s) for living in Thailand, just another reason to like it. 

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6 hours ago, zzzzz said:

The difference is the government can say she is farang, 
it would not have gotten so much attention if they stated ... "Thai citizen tested positive">>
nor would we have seen 13 pages here....

On the contrary, a while back (1-2 months ago I think) there was a similar case of a Thai returnee who was found infected after leaving quarantine and it generated considerable attention in the news.

 

Anytime someone is found infected after the quarantine (or having not come from abroad at all) it gets reported and is cause for concern since it suggests possible community transmission.

 

By the way, Bangkok Post today reported that 2 other foreigners staying in same ASQ were found to be infected, in their case prior to leaving quarantine. Their stays overlapped. Not clear who infected whom and not reported where the 2 others had flown in from. But it does seem clear there was transmission within the ASQ and Thai govt has revoked the hotel's  permission to serve as an ASQ facility.

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On 10/25/2020 at 6:04 AM, polpott said:

It's a con. Announcement tomorrow will be that she caught it in Bangkok. Annoucement the next day, Bangkok goes into lockdown with 7pm curfew.

 

Oh what a shame, those protesters will have to stay at home. As Prayout says, "There's more than one way to skin a student".

She was never let loose in Bkk. She was in quarantine in Samut Prakarn. 

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22 hours ago, Sheryl said:

On the contrary, a while back (1-2 months ago I think) there was a similar case of a Thai returnee who was found infected after leaving quarantine and it generated considerable attention in the news.

 

Anytime someone is found infected after the quarantine (or having not come from abroad at all) it gets reported and is cause for concern since it suggests possible community transmission.

 

By the way, Bangkok Post today reported that 2 other foreigners staying in same ASQ were found to be infected, in their case prior to leaving quarantine. Their stays overlapped. Not clear who infected whom and not reported where the 2 others had flown in from. But it does seem clear there was transmission within the ASQ and Thai govt has revoked the hotel's  permission to serve as an ASQ facility.

It makes me wonder then if those in quarantine are actually completely isolated for their entire stay. If not, this where infection is likely to occur. 

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10 minutes ago, DavisH said:

It makes me wonder then if those in quarantine are actually completely isolated for their entire stay. If not, this where infection is likely to occur. 

 

The Thai health authorities have already concluded that her infection occurred while in quarantine and announced to that effect. The hotel in question has been dropped from the list of approved Quarantine facilities.

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6 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 

The Thai health authorities have already concluded that her infection occurred while in quarantine and announced to that effect. The hotel in question has been dropped from the list of approved Quarantine facilities.

I must have misread an article that I thought stated that she got infected sometime after quarantine. Another article stated that virus was found on gym equipment in the hotel. That suggests that returnees were allowed out of their rooms, possibly to mingle. I'm not surprised they got dropped from the list. 

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On 10/26/2020 at 4:50 PM, Sheryl said:

 

What possible difference does it make?

 

Why focus on her nationality and visa status?

 

The story is that someone came here uninfected and got infected while in quarantine.

Well there are conflicting reports and as we are all fearless seekers of the truth we demand to be told.!!!

And pretty quick too.!!!

 

I hate to differ Sheryl but "they" started it by mentioning her nationality in the first place. And the second place. 

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On 10/29/2020 at 1:31 AM, Sheryl said:

 

The Thai health authorities have already concluded that her infection occurred while in quarantine and announced to that effect. The hotel in question has been dropped from the list of approved Quarantine facilities.

And didn't they also conclude her "strain" was unrelated to the other two infected returnees?  If so how was she infected? If they can't find the index case this seems to be a collosal failure in testing and tracing.  

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1 minute ago, Oliver Holzerfilled said:

And didn't they also conclude her "strain" was unrelated to the other two infected returnees?  If so how was she infected? If they can't find the index case this seems to be a collosal failure in testing and tracing.  

They did in one report say that her case was unrelated to the other 2 but postulated that the timeline didn't fit. Never mentioned a "different strain". When the timelines of all three were released it was clear that she had possibly caught it from them. Highly likely the gym. Quarantinees aren't allowed to use the gym at any time during their stay so how did the Gym equipment test positive for Covid? Clearly quarantine regulations were broken, hence it was taken off the approved list.

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47 minutes ago, Oliver Holzerfilled said:

And didn't they also conclude her "strain" was unrelated to the other two infected returnees?  If so how was she infected? If they can't find the index case this seems to be a collosal failure in testing and tracing.  

 

 The other 2 infected persons were identified during quarantine so they may have been infected from abroad.

 

That there was virus present on equipment in the exercise room suggests that infection control measures at that hotel were inadequate. Together with the timing of her symptoms and test result, this still makes the period in Quarantine the most likely time of infection, even though but the source of her infection has not been pinpointed. Presumably investigations are ongoing. 

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Now being reported in that other paper, that she caught the virus in quarantine via infected food trays passed between rooms without sanitising. 

 

Thailand has a statistically impossible amount of returnees in quarantine who always seem to have 10-12 days incubation time, this is probably why, they are catching it at ASQ hotels

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7 hours ago, ourmanflint said:

Now being reported in that other paper, that she caught the virus in quarantine via infected food trays passed between rooms without sanitising. 

 

Thailand has a statistically impossible amount of returnees in quarantine who always seem to have 10-12 days incubation time, this is probably why, they are catching it at ASQ hotels

And now their wanting to drop it to 10 days 

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On 10/24/2020 at 9:11 PM, chakatee said:

It would mean that world population more than 3-folded

Hmmm  maybe, but the current world population is about 7.6 billion.  What it would really mean is that we had developed almost complete "herd immunity" and the disease would no longer affect us.

 

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Whilst we only have the sketchiest of details, the timeline hints that she might have caught it from the health worker who tested her whilst in quarantine.

 

Whilst Thailand has reported very few cases of Covid, one has to wonder how hard they have been looking for it.

 

Recent video footage on YouTube from the LoS shows little mask usage and no social distancing. There are no effective preventative measures being observed.

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