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Trump is trying to skate past the coronavirus issue with three lies. Lie #1. America is "rounding the turn". The number of active cases are rising, nearly 2.9 million. Lie #2. A vaccine will

"Trump told the rally: "There's no nation in the world that's recovered like we've recovered." " Some countries needed to adjust, not recover..... South Korea, Taiwan and Japan come to mind.

ChouDoufu So it is Trumps fault.  Tell me exactly how Trump was "suppose" to stop the virus from entering the USA.  While you are at it, tell me why the leaders of these countries are also not

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Uh, check your facts.  It was Dr. Tony Fauci and the White House Task Force who originally discouraged the wearing of masks.  It took quite a long period of time before it was acknowledged that wearing a mask could be PROTECTIVE.  For a long time it was claimed by Dr. Fauci and the task force that only infected people needed to wear masks.  Let’s not gloss over the history of how long it took before everyone was advised to wear a mask.

 

So far as issuing a national mandate, America has states’ rights.  Governors and local authorities have the power to issue mandates, not the President.  The declaration that Trump is responsible for the pandemic and the resultant deaths is just another political lie.

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7 hours ago, Emdog said:

"Trump told the rally: "There's no nation in the world that's recovered like we've recovered." "

Some countries needed to adjust, not recover.....

South Korea, Taiwan and Japan come to mind.

If US had dealt with outbreak like Japan did, there would be 3000 deaths instead of 200+ thousand. And Japan is more crowded and has larger percentage of seniors.

China is doing really well recovering 🤣

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So far as testing goes, the PCR test is relatively useless without timeliness.  The staffing of testing personnel and rapid movement of the test samples and reporting of the results is vital for the test to be useful.  Rapid testing could have been set up but the CDC and    others fumbled and dragged their feet.  Dr. Birx was one on the task force who consistently called for increased testing.  The others - not so much.

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36 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

The 'Sweden did absolutely nothing' ascertion is not correct.  Sweden did introduce self distancing (mostly voluntarily),  isolated the most vulnerable (not nearly well enough), closed high schools and universities, banned large gatherings and introduced work at home policies. In addition it closed it's borders and although the lowest of all the Nordic countries, still has plenty of testing going on. 

However, despite all of these measures, Sweden still has a much higher  death toll than in its Nordic neighbours, which opted for tougher lockdown measures. Norway, with around half the population, has had only around 260 COVID deaths in total.  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sweden-idUSKCN25F1YL. Sweden ranks 17th in deaths per 100,000 population, which although better than the US, is nothing to be bragging about.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Keep in mind that Sweden is afflicted with a system of socialized medicine so people don't have to fear bankruptcy or huge copayments that discourage them from getting treatment. Poor Swedes!

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1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

In fact it wasn’t until mid-March (a full 6 weeks after the WHO announcement) with numbers going through the roof that Trump declared a national emergency and recommended people work from home. By then of course it was far, far too late.

Very important point for this discussion as initially trump ignored the virus saying that it would soon disappear...yeah right. 

 

22 minutes ago, DogNo1 said:

Rapid testing could have been set up but the CDC and    others fumbled and dragged their feet.

By the others do you mean the group of scientists set up by Obama to deal with events like this, that trump and co disbanded?

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7 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

you can keep repeating that if it feels good, but the fact is that china managed to contain the virus.  they enforced lockdowns when required, they mandated mask usage, they tested and tested and tested some more. 

 

life has returned to normal, their economy is running, and they're seeing a positive gdp for the year.  a country of 1.5 billion has fewer cases, and fewer deaths than most (or all) us states.

 

the virus DID originate in china, but what difference, at this point, does it make?  we're ten months into a global pandemic, and the "leader of the free world" and his sidekick are still mocking others for wearing masks and taking other appropriate actions.

 

so, yeah, with his regime's bungled response, trump IS responsible for nearly 250,000 dead americans. 

 

it is what it is.

 

If China had contained it responsibly, no other countries would have the problem, would they?

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2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

If China had contained it responsibly, no other countries would have the problem, would they?

Yet other countries did manage to contain it responsibly, didn't they?

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21 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

They didn't so what's your point?

This isn't about the why's and wherefores of China; it's about Trumps ineptitude in containing and mitigating the pandemic.

They didn't, so my point is that someone else said that they did. I was replying to them. Not to you. So talk to them.

 

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29 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Yet other countries did manage to contain it responsibly, didn't they?

 

A very few smaller countries did well. True.

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