Four in ten supporters of Biden, Trump would not accept election defeat

[Eric Loh]

So a minority of rightists and conspiracy theorists lead by their like-minded leader got the better of USA. A country so divided and intense mistrust of the government. Will take years to clean up the toxicity left behind by Trump. 

[onebir]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Smaller portions would take action to make their displeasure known: 22% of Biden supporters and 16% of Trump supporters said they would engage in street protests or even violence if their preferred candidate loses.

But what proportion of these also own enough ARs, ammo etc to make their own Rambo movie?

[nobodysfriend]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

More than four in ten supporters of both President Donald Trump and his Democratic challenger, Joe Biden, said they would not accept the result of the November election if their preferred candidate loses

In a country where nearly everybody owns a gun , that sounds not good ...

[abrahamzvi]

3 hours ago, pixelaoffy said:

USA has become this disaster because of a madman in WH who says he will ' take a look at the result '.spouts lies about 'widespread voter fraud " .. all of this from leader of a party that engages in voter suppression!!    The Republic has been taken to the brink by someone as many believe, including relatives, that has serious mental issues! RIP USA

Not yet friend. The USA is stronger a democracy than Trump and cohorts. I have no doubt that the USA will withstand dictatorship like „leaders“ like the present ones.

[Berkshire]

It's rather amazing how a thread/article title can misrepresent the true meaning of its content.  Here is another title to the same article...

 

[Majority of Biden, Trump supporters will accept election results no matter who wins, poll shows]

 

https://news.yahoo.com/majority-biden-trump-supporters-accept-154100140.html

 

 

Edited October 26, 2020 by Berkshire

[Berkshire]

1 minute ago, Berkshire said:

Duplicate

 

 

 

Edited October 26, 2020 by Berkshire

[Paul Henry]

Guess I should joke about Trumps thousands of lies. Psychiatrists have said its a mental illness just one of many the poor old man suffers.

[timkeen08]

"The survey, conducted from Oct. 13-20, shows 43% of Biden supporters would not accept a Trump victory, while 41% of Americans who want to re-elect Trump would not accept a win by Biden".

 

What I read from this is the inference, intentional or not, that Biden supporters are not Americans but specifically "Americans who want to re-elect Trump" are.  Made my day.  How did they let this slip by?

[stevenl]

50 minutes ago, timkeen08 said:

"The survey, conducted from Oct. 13-20, shows 43% of Biden supporters would not accept a Trump victory, while 41% of Americans who want to re-elect Trump would not accept a win by Biden".

 

What I read from this is the inference, intentional or not, that Biden supporters are not Americans but specifically "Americans who want to re-elect Trump" are.  Made my day.  How did they let this slip by?

If you read it that way you're reading something that was said nor implied.

[wwest5829]

8 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Why just hang it on one party, both sides are equally responsible for the tactics they have undertaken against each other.  If the OP had stated that 4 in 10 of the Republican supporters and 0 in 10 of the democratic supporters had said they would not accept election defeat, then your one sided diatribe would be understood.  However, it is both sides of the equation, so both parties are responsible for the miserable mess they have both created in dividing the country, much like before the American Civil War.  It has been bubbling since even before Obama took office.

And all should be looking at the underlying cause. My thought, supported by at least the economic statistics is that the political policies of both major political parties over the past 30-45 have caused increased economic pressure on the working middle class which forms the vast majority of the participatory democracy’s population. With the growth, over the time period of the income/wealth disparity gap we have come to a critical juncture of disfunction. Many of those in the current working middle class were raised in a time witnessing the, at first tremendous growth of the US economic income and now, the slow decline of the paramount economic position of the United States post WW II. For those of us in the “Baby Boomer” generation, we are filled with despair generally at seeing the usual growth of economic wellbeing through our work efforts resulting in less and less retirement age security. For our children, we see little hope, under current economic policy conditions to be able, through their work to afford the housing, access to medical care, access to improving their knowledge skills through higher education. There is justified frustration/anger resulting from the economic stress and this evidences itself through our social stress. Not seeing hope, those who supported Trump in 2016, wanted to believe in his promises to address the needs and clean out the swamp of those who had brought on the economic stress (unfortunately, they did not read/study Trump’s historical background or they would have seen a record of a man far out of his depth to be given such a government position). What alternative was offered by the other major party candidate … more of the same policies that have brought on the stress. Unless the mass of American working middle class citizen voters turn out to support a raising of the minimum wage, instituting a national healthcare program like all other developed democratic countries provide for their citizens, lowering the costs of gaining more knowledge through higher education (benefiting both individuals and American business) and protecting Social Security/Medicare … I predict the madness will continue as there will be no needed relief for the working middle class upon which and hope of a participatory democracy depends.

[Bkktodd]

11 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given that, IMO, Biden would not concede if the result was a narrow victory to Trump, till it had been settled by the courts, I hope Biden supporters can accept the same for Trump if the victory for Biden is narrow.

Obviously you missed the point.  Trump is the only cry baby in the room

[Bkktodd]

9 hours ago, mr mr said:

 

your team cheats but mine is squeaky clean. man watching left vs right is so entertaining. especially american politics. what a cluster show. 

 

dinosaur 1 vs dinosaur 2

 

a country of almost 350 million people and these 2 clowns are the best to offer ? really ? 

 

good grief.

The orange clown will be gone soon and the circus will leave.  Biden is not perfect but is a good man

[Nigel Garvie]

2 hours ago, wwest5829 said:

And all should be looking at the underlying cause. My thought, supported by at least the economic statistics is that the political policies of both major political parties over the past 30-45 have caused increased economic pressure on the working middle class which forms the vast majority of the participatory democracy’s population. With the growth, over the time period of the income/wealth disparity gap we have come to a critical juncture of disfunction. Many of those in the current working middle class were raised in a time witnessing the, at first tremendous growth of the US economic income and now, the slow decline of the paramount economic position of the United States post WW II. For those of us in the “Baby Boomer” generation, we are filled with despair generally at seeing the usual growth of economic wellbeing through our work efforts resulting in less and less retirement age security. For our children, we see little hope, under current economic policy conditions to be able, through their work to afford the housing, access to medical care, access to improving their knowledge skills through higher education. There is justified frustration/anger resulting from the economic stress and this evidences itself through our social stress. Not seeing hope, those who supported Trump in 2016, wanted to believe in his promises to address the needs and clean out the swamp of those who had brought on the economic stress (unfortunately, they did not read/study Trump’s historical background or they would have seen a record of a man far out of his depth to be given such a government position). What alternative was offered by the other major party candidate … more of the same policies that have brought on the stress. Unless the mass of American working middle class citizen voters turn out to support a raising of the minimum wage, instituting a national healthcare program like all other developed democratic countries provide for their citizens, lowering the costs of gaining more knowledge through higher education (benefiting both individuals and American business) and protecting Social Security/Medicare … I predict the madness will continue as there will be no needed relief for the working middle class upon which and hope of a participatory democracy depends.

Thoughtful post, thank you.

In order to win the battle for this vote - the vote of the disillusioned working middle class, and indeed also those in the UK we might call the better off working class, you need scapegoats. The cries of "Drain the swamp" "Lock her up" "Build a wall" illustrate three. Similar scapegoats with xenophobic EU hatred, hatred and fear of immigrants, and despising people less fortunate than you, were all alive and well in the Brexit campaign, and very cleverly targeted in a similar way. The opposition in 2016 and 2019 (UK) were useless. The tragedy in all of this was that we (Baby boomers) thought we had built an education system, which would help people make rational decisions on political issues. What we see instead is frighteningly large proportion of voters acting close to a mindless mob from the Middle Ages.

[PattayaJames]

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

 

Obviously Biden is the much better choice in this context because at least he is trying to project himself as president for all Americans, even opponents.

 

45 has never done that and never will.

 

 

That is not true, he has done so Many Many Many Many Many times, just as he has condemned white supremacists. You just choose not to hear.

In fact more accurately you just lie about it. 

 

 

[wwest5829]

13 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Thoughtful post, thank you.

In order to win the battle for this vote - the vote of the disillusioned working middle class, and indeed also those in the UK we might call the better off working class, you need scapegoats. The cries of "Drain the swamp" "Lock her up" "Build a wall" illustrate three. Similar scapegoats with xenophobic EU hatred, hatred and fear of immigrants, and despising people less fortunate than you, were all alive and well in the Brexit campaign, and very cleverly targeted in a similar way. The opposition in 2016 and 2019 (UK) were useless. The tragedy in all of this was that we (Baby boomers) thought we had built an education system, which would help people make rational decisions on political issues. What we see instead is frighteningly large proportion of voters acting close to a mindless mob from the Middle Ages.

We agree. I see many here retired working middle class from Europe, North America, Australians better able to afford a working middle class retirement in a lower cost country. Oh, I am not whining ... I am quite happy ... especially now ... being in a safer country.

[timkeen08]

4 hours ago, stevenl said:

If you read it that way you're reading something that was said nor implied.

Maybe I just see the humor of what's supposed to be a news report using two different phrases for whats should be direct comparisons.   But I agree that Trump supporters are Americans which is what the report does not say about Biden supporters.  A hilarious report item.  You don't have to laugh if you don't want to.

[stevenl]

6 minutes ago, timkeen08 said:

Maybe I just see the humor of what's supposed to be a news report using two different phrases for whats should be direct comparisons.   But I agree that Trump supporters are Americans which is what the report does not say about Biden supporters.  A hilarious report item.  You don't have to laugh if you don't want to.

Naw, you're just reading in it what you want to, even if said nor implied.

[timkeen08]

9 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Naw, you're just reading in it what you want to, even if said nor implied.

I really don't care what you think or say. It still made me laugh.  Can't change that can you.

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, timkeen08 said:

I really don't care what you think or say. It still made me laugh.  Can't change that can you.

I'm glad for you.

[Venom]

22 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

In a country where nearly everybody owns a gun , that sounds not good ...

You should ask the British about that. 

[placeholder]

8 hours ago, Venom said:

You should ask the British about that. 

Homicide rate in USA:  5 per 100000

https://www.statista.com/statistics/191223/reported-murder-and-nonnegligent-manslaughter-rate-in-the-us-since-1990/

Homicide rate in UK 1.14 per 100000:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2019#:~:text=The incidence rate for homicide,early years of this century.

[Sheryl]

On 10/26/2020 at 5:27 AM, Slip said:

What a nonsense article. "Would not accept"?  Short of armed insurrection no-one polled has any choice but to accept.  Are they confusing the word "accept" with the word "like"?

 

 

 

Indeed, one would like to see the actual wording of the question, and how the term "accept" was defined to those interviewed.

[Venom]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Homicide rate in USA:  5 per 100000

https://www.statista.com/statistics/191223/reported-murder-and-nonnegligent-manslaughter-rate-in-the-us-since-1990/

Homicide rate in UK 1.14 per 100000:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2019#:~:text=The incidence rate for homicide,early years of this century.

No, I meant the War for Independence. ????

[Tie Dye Samurai]

On 10/26/2020 at 7:22 AM, PattayaJames said:

 

That is not true, he has done so Many Many Many Many Many times, just as he has condemned white supremacists. You just choose not to hear.

In fact more accurately you just lie about it. 

 

 

No....you are talking about a man that disrespects and degrades political opponents with names like Pochontas (completely racist by the way), Little Marco, Sleep Joe, Cooked Hillary, Lyin Ted, Crazy Bernie etc etc...gasses and fires pepper balls at peaceful protesters so he can walk through a park like a dictator, tells congresswomen to go back where they came from when they are American citizens, says that a man is not a American hero because he was a P.O.W. because "He likes guys that didnt get caught" and is incapable of freely and effortlessly condemning white supremacy but has to either read from a teleprompter, have weeks of rehearsal to get the words out at a debate because he knows his campaign is in dire straights and demands it or just plain botches it on numerous occasions (Stand Back and Stand By....There were fine people on both sides). 

 

He openly sews division, lives for it and feeds off of it...he is a leader that more than half the country he leads wants him gone and his only hope to stay in office is to thread the Electoral college needle like he did last time....knowing for months now that he will not pull that miracle off two times in a row because his opponent is 2020 is not nearly as unpopular as his opponent in 2016...he has openly painted himself as a victim of corruption and the election outcome will be rigged....unless he wins of course....then democracy has spoken. Just because we reject Trump's B.S. doesn't mean we dont all hear him James...maybe you are the one that should actually listen to him.

[Jingthing]

Another excellent (and quite long) article pn this topic of dangerous division. I reckon most Americans on either side can relate to it on some level. 

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/magazine/2020/10/26/gene-weingarten-divided-country-healing/

 

In Search of Healing

America is facing one of the deepest divides in our history — and, no matter who wins the election, a difficult path forward

 

[3NUMBAS]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-nigel-farage-arizona-rally-075404255.html

 

Donald Trump invites Nigel Farage on stage to urge supporters to ‘vote for decency’ in US election

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, 3NUMBAS said:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-nigel-farage-arizona-rally-075404255.html

 

Donald Trump invites Nigel Farage on stage to urge supporters to ‘vote for decency’ in US election

You may be shocked to learn that Nigel Farage is not such an important figure on the American political scene. Did you put that info in large bold  typeface to compensate for that?

[Eric Loh]

4 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-nigel-farage-arizona-rally-075404255.html

 

Donald Trump invites Nigel Farage on stage to urge supporters to ‘vote for decency’ in US election

Decency definition for Trump as someone who picks up his own ball and moves it to a better spot, kick yours further from the flag, and lies about how many strokes he needs for any given hole. This is like Hannibal Lector inviting Jack the Reaper to talk about forensic science. 

[Jingthing]

15 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-nigel-farage-arizona-rally-075404255.html

 

Donald Trump invites Nigel Farage on stage to urge supporters to ‘vote for decency’ in US election

So he was campaigning for Biden then. Biden's brand is decency. 45s brand is chaos, race baiting, division, misinformation, and negligent homicide.

[Kelsall]

If for some reson Trump were to lose the initial count of the electoral vote he would have the option of having the SCOTUS take a look at it.  The same is true for Biden.  The court would then weight the merits of the case and decide.  So it all balances out in the end.