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2 hours ago, Oldie said:

I don't know what she does here. Perhaps she visits relatives.

 

But to Farang tourists in general. I ask myself if the Thai government is aware of the kind of Farang tourists that could come here. Many don't care about protection, some even will aggressively refuse it and some even like to make Corona parties. It is a completely different mentality than Thai people have. There is a reason why they have so many cases there. And I don't believe that this quarantine idea will work 100 percent. We saw it at this lady. Just to clarify - I am a Farang too. 

Alot of us are responsible...ironically the oldies take care more than reckless youth with covid. Thailand is so afraid of a single case.  No one has COVID immunity. Holding out for a vaccine.  Meanwhile how many died by suicide? On the thai roads? 

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Yeah, yeah , we know, a dirty farang was using the gym beforehand

If she got infected while in a quarantine hotel, she should at the very least get her money back...

It is well known that the virus can live on inanimate objects, especially indoors.   Gyms are especially high risk environments due to tnedency of peopkle to grunt, breath hard etc while wor

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1 hour ago, SePl said:

she just arrived with the virus as most people, very easy to understand, more than 50% tests are wrong.

 

 

3 tests.. before during and release from quarantine? Really?

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49 minutes ago, Elkski said:

or the cleaning procedure is flawed.


The flaw afflicting every procedure in Thailand is that no one follows the procedures.

 

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10 hours ago, Oldie said:

The other question is why was she allowed to enter Thailand. She is from a high risk country. Are they not blocked? 


Blocking countries seems pointless if everyone must go through testing and quarantine anyway.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Bkktodd said:

Alot of us are responsible...ironically the oldies take care more than reckless youth with covid. Thailand is so afraid of a single case.  No one has COVID immunity. Holding out for a vaccine.  Meanwhile how many died by suicide? On the thai roads? 

People die of suicide and people die on the road. Very sad. But this doesn't bring down the economy of countries. There is a big difference. 

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3 hours ago, donnacha said:


Blocking countries seems pointless if everyone must go through testing and quarantine anyway.

 

 

If you get a lot of sick people in quarantine then you have a problem. 

 

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14 minutes ago, Oldie said:

If you get a lot of sick people in quarantine then you have a problem. 

 


Why?

The point of quarantine is that you are isolating people who may be infected. Such isolation, if correctly executed, should be sufficient to ensure that, even if the detainee has brought the infection into the country with them, they are no longer infectious by the time they leave quarantine.

Remember, even in the "bad" countries such as the UK, the total number of cases, including all those who passed through their infectious stage earlier in the pandemic, is around 1% of the population, and disproportionately in sections of the population who are unlikely to travel to Thailand.


 

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31 minutes ago, donnacha said:


Why?

The point of quarantine is that you are isolating people who may be infected. Such isolation, if correctly executed, should be sufficient to ensure that, even if the detainee has brought the infection into the country with them, they are no longer infectious by the time they leave quarantine.

Remember, even in the "bad" countries such as the UK, the total number of cases, including all those who passed through their infectious stage earlier in the pandemic, is around 1% of the population, and disproportionately in sections of the population who are unlikely to travel to Thailand.
 

Every sick person in quarantine poses a problem. You can't send them back home. You can't let them walk freely. They might pass on the virus to other people in quarantine and to the staff there. They might get too many to be handled by the local health system. 

 

You have to see what is happening at the moment in Europe. The Corona cases are getting extremely high. The governments don't know what to do to stop this development. Sick people are a problem but if the economy gets a (far bigger) problem too then this could end in a desaster. Don't you read the news from there? 

 

If Thailand gets a problem like Europe then not only the tourism industry has a problem but the whole country. And this at a time with demonstrations against the government. 

 

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57 minutes ago, Oldie said:

Every sick person in quarantine poses a problem. You can't send them back home. You can't let them walk freely. They might pass on the virus to other people in quarantine and to the staff there. They might get too many to be handled by the local health system. 

 


I understand what you are saying but these people are not being released directly into the general population. They are subject to quarantine protocols from the moment they land in Thailand. Their interactions with Thai citizens are minimal and protected. No one is letting them walk freely. There is zero need to send them back home. Sick people are not a problem unless they are making other people sick.

This is how modern medicine deals with highly-infectious diseases. If quarantine is executed correctly, upon passing their last test and leaving the hotel, those people are less risky than the average Thai citizen. This is regardless of whether they come from a country with a high or a low number of infections.
 

 

57 minutes ago, Oldie said:

You have to see what is happening at the moment in Europe. The Corona cases are getting extremely high. The governments don't know what to do to stop this development. Sick people are a problem but if the economy gets a (far bigger) problem too then this could end in a desaster. Don't you read the news from there? 


Yes, I have read the news.

It is important to understand the situation without overreacting, to try to see things clearly.

For example, the economic problem is not due to the virus but due to our attempt to control it by locking down the entire population rather than properly shielding the vulnerable. The main thing that will be remembered about this period is how the governments got it all upside down, and put almost no thought into how we could protect the groups that we already knew would be vulnerable. An astonishing number of the early deaths were in care homes, a completely avoidable tragedy.

 

57 minutes ago, Oldie said:

If Thailand gets a problem like Europe then not only the tourism industry has a problem but the whole country. And this at a time with demonstrations against the government. 


Money spent by foreigners in Thailand is far bigger than just the tourism industry. In underpins businesses and families all over the kingdom, including the parts of the country that the elites never think about.

The idealism and passion of the students gave these protests their form, but the desperation and hunger caused by destroying the real, on-the-ground economy will give them their teeth. In Egypt, after all the lofty speeches about freedom from dictatorship, the main factor behind the 2011 revolution was that the price of cooking oil had doubled.

Far from shutting out most countries, the Thai government should fix whatever holes have emerged in their quarantine procedures and, then, open the country up to anyone willing to risk a flight and to pay top dollar to be locked up and treated like a leper for 15 nights.

 

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21 hours ago, webfact said:

The media said the positive test on the gym equipment was one of seven samples taken at the quarantine hotel. An further investigation is underway at the ASQ (alternative state quarantine) facility.

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2 hours ago, donnacha said:


I understand what you are saying but these people are not being released directly into the general population. They are subject to quarantine protocols from the moment they land in Thailand. Their interactions with Thai citizens are minimal and protected. No one is letting them walk freely. There is zero need to send them back home. Sick people are not a problem unless they are making other people sick.

This is how modern medicine deals with highly-infectious diseases. If quarantine is executed correctly, upon passing their last test and leaving the hotel, those people are less risky than the average Thai citizen. This is regardless of whether they come from a country with a high or a low number of infections.
 

 


Yes, I have read the news.

It is important to understand the situation without overreacting, to try to see things clearly.

For example, the economic problem is not due to the virus but due to our attempt to control it by locking down the entire population rather than properly shielding the vulnerable. The main thing that will be remembered about this period is how the governments got it all upside down, and put almost no thought into how we could protect the groups that we already knew would be vulnerable. An astonishing number of the early deaths were in care homes, a completely avoidable tragedy.

 


Money spent by foreigners in Thailand is far bigger than just the tourism industry. In underpins businesses and families all over the kingdom, including the parts of the country that the elites never think about.

The idealism and passion of the students gave these protests their form, but the desperation and hunger caused by destroying the real, on-the-ground economy will give them their teeth. In Egypt, after all the lofty speeches about freedom from dictatorship, the main factor behind the 2011 revolution was that the price of cooking oil had doubled.

Far from shutting out most countries, the Thai government should fix whatever holes have emerged in their quarantine procedures and, then, open the country up to anyone willing to risk a flight and to pay top dollar to be locked up and treated like a leper for 15 nights.

 

Ok I will try to follow your thoughts.  How about I allow you to describe a safe protocol for what should occur now that this French woman was positive. Lets focus on what to do with the other customers that just arrived at the same ASQ, those that were 1 day away from leaving, what about all the workers, someone  changed this woman's sheets during her stay, (probably within 3 days of her leaving)  and someone cleaned it after she checked out.  

Do we make some customers stay another 14 days? Do we ask all the employees to self quarantine at home like the CDC in USA says should occur at a workplace positive case?  Who all should be contacted and traced and tested? What if this becomes a regular occurrence at many ASQ's?   What happens when a few ASQ workers test positive? What happens if a few die?

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