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Infected French woman: Virus found on gym equipment at her quarantine hotel


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I have noticed that the quarantine regulations are not being adhered to whereby the detainees must stay in their rooms with food and fresh bedding and towels delivered outside their doors. I have since noticed that several friends who arrived a week ago posted photos of himself using the hotel's fitness rooms and also meeting friends in the restaurant of the Mövenpick BDMS Wellness Resort Bangkok. It is no wonder that the virus can be passed on by infected persons that should have remained in their rooms.

 

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Yeah, yeah , we know, a dirty farang was using the gym beforehand

If she got infected while in a quarantine hotel, she should at the very least get her money back...

It is well known that the virus can live on inanimate objects, especially indoors.   Gyms are especially high risk environments due to tnedency of peopkle to grunt, breath hard etc while wor

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10 minutes ago, Bangyai said:

Wow. The lesson here is never try to keep fit. Avoid gyms and stick to watering holes.

Safer in the Bar

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45 minutes ago, Elkski said:

Ok I will try to follow your thoughts.  How about I allow you to describe a safe protocol for what should occur now that this French woman was positive. Lets focus on what to do with the other customers that just arrived at the same ASQ, those that were 1 day away from leaving, what about all the workers, someone  changed this woman's sheets during her stay, (probably within 3 days of her leaving)  and someone cleaned it after she checked out.  


As I said, "the Thai government should fix whatever holes have emerged in their quarantine procedures". In this case, it appears a shared piece of gym equipment may have been the vector. That's a hole that needs to be fixed. If it is absolutely imperative to have shared gym equipment (as opposed to providing an exercise bike or whatever in each room), one person should use it at a time, and it should be thoroughly wiped down by a member of staff between users.

Some are saying that an infected member of the hotel staff, a cleaner, recently arrived from Myanmar may have been the source of the infection too. That's a hole too. Staff for such a specialized service should be as vetted and tested as the detainees.

Members of staff should be supplied with the best possible PPE. We already know, from the many first-hand reports on this forum and elsewhere, that contact with staff is minimal. From the moment you exit the plane, you are treated as a biohazard, and rightly so under the circumstances.

 

45 minutes ago, Elkski said:

Do we make some customers stay another 14 days?


Already happening. Detainees who test positive at any point enter a different process.
 

 

45 minutes ago, Elkski said:

Do we ask all the employees to self quarantine at home like the CDC in USA says should occur at a workplace positive case?


The CDC does not require that of hospitals, medical centers, prisons, and quarantine facilities.

 

45 minutes ago, Elkski said:

Who all should be contacted and traced and tested? What if this becomes a regular occurrence at many ASQ's?   What happens when a few ASQ workers test positive? What happens if a few die?


To prevent the wholesale carnage you envisage, we must absolutely INSIST that all chambermaids in their 80s be reassigned to regular hotel rooms.

There is so much hysteria around this subject. This particular ASQ messed up, just as the ASQ in Melbourne did. This is the first time the world has faced anything like this, mistakes are bound to occur, but that does not invalidate the sound principles behind quarantine procedures. We simply have to get better at doing this stuff at scale, and we will.

 

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Hard to judge how serious this is. Reports saying that it permanently damages organs yet PL players are getting and two weeks later back playing. One can say they are elite athletes but it either does damage or it doesnt. Is the virus really that serious or is it just that too many people are unhealthy? Neil Warnock had it and survived and he is 71.

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i am in quarantine and after i read the story i don't want leave my room  ,  whatever i will be free on sunday morning  

i make a 100 % true quarantine did  no go outside anytime 😛 

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On 10/26/2020 at 2:21 PM, Saltire said:

I've seen in other places that she is in fact a Thai citizen with dual (French) nationality, but not sure if that's the case. Can never be sure.

 

'Sixty seven of sixty eight staff there have tested negative' so is there one more positive?

 

Why are so many articles and reports on here so badly written, is it deliberate? They generate more questions than they give 'facts'.

 

 

 

written vague because the press do not know the answers so in UK they would lie to fill in the missing gaps. here they leave to

he gaps missing until more information comes out

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On 10/27/2020 at 9:15 AM, Sametboy2019 said:

Hard to judge how serious this is. Reports saying that it permanently damages organs yet PL players are getting and two weeks later back playing. One can say they are elite athletes but it either does damage or it doesnt. Is the virus really that serious or is it just that too many people are unhealthy? Neil Warnock had it and survived and he is 71.

different people have different immune systems.

 

only 0.02 % of population in the world have died.

 

some people with different blood types are more open to worse effects. like flu not everyone catches it every year

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On 10/27/2020 at 9:43 AM, thai006 said:

i am in quarantine and after i read the story i don't want leave my room  ,  whatever i will be free on sunday morning  

i make a 100 % true quarantine did  no go outside anytime 😛 

A wise choice ! But if you want to go outside of your room can you without a problem?

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so many anti thai comments and complaining 

 

i wonder why any of you lot are allowed in

 

or why you want to come and complain

 

try being a thai for a day and apply for a visa to go to america UK europe.

 

see if they give you 30 days on entry.

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On 10/27/2020 at 12:22 AM, donnacha said:


Blocking countries seems pointless if everyone must go through testing and quarantine anyway.

 

 

The rationale of restricting non Thai from high risk countries especially is mostly due to the capacity of quarantine facilities. Many countries have  weekly quota even on returning  citizens for that reason. There is also a need to retain a percentage of  quarantine spaces in the event of a  community outbreak because not all detected infections require hospitalization but extended monitored isolation in quarantine.

Allowing open entry even subject to quarantine would be a logistical nightmare and probably eventuate in defeating the purpose with  community outbreaks.

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BIG C

 

Let's say that they apply their right to express themselves, even if, at times, some are disappointing.
But, we must not be deluded, these "never happy" will not be good anywhere and will always find something to counteract.

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2 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said:

A wise choice ! But if you want to go outside of your room can you without a problem?

 

in my hotel you can go to the rooftop after the 7 day after the first covid test 

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On 10/26/2020 at 10:38 AM, daiwill60 said:

So many questions about this report. 

Only 7 samples were taken, why so few in a large building?

Did the woman actually use the gym?

Was the virus present in the gym before she became infected, or did she become infected elsewhere and then subsequently infect the gym?
Did she become infected on Koh Samui or during her passage to Koh Samui?

 

I guess we will never certainly know, but we will carry on with lockdowns and quarantines nevertheless. 

My question is still "Why did big C let her in with a fever when they check everyone at entry?"

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1 hour ago, thai006 said:

 

in my hotel you can go to the rooftop after the 7 day after the first covid test 

And so can come in contact with surfaces touched  by someone who has also been there and tests positive later on the same day ?  Wow!

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On 10/28/2020 at 1:37 PM, Dumbastheycome said:

And so can come in contact with surfaces touched  by someone who has also been there and tests positive later on the same day ?  Wow!

 that why all my quarantine i been in the room  lol  will be free on sunday morning 😛 

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