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3 minutes ago, RayC said:

You have no idea - and could not hazard an informed guess based on my TVF postings - who was my preferred candidate in last year's Labour party election. Still, when has the lack of any supporting evidence mattered to (most) Brexiters?

 

NB: Between you and me, it wasn't Corbyn.😉

Swanson? That's even better! :clap2:

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2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

And yet you do not want another referendum on either the Brexit deal or Scottish independence.

So the government should only give referendums on issues which you agree with.

 

I used the example of the UK and Switzerland but referendums occur far less frequently in the UK. I think only 6 years is too soon for a vote on the same question, yes.

 

What I personally agree with does not matter. I am sure that any government would not ask for my individual blessing for any referendum. 

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1 hour ago, RayC said:

 

I agree that there is nothing intrinsically theoretically wrong with referendums; indeed, it can be argued that it is one of the 'purest' forms of democracy.

 

However, imo there are no end of practical problems in the context of a parliamentary democracy like the UK. For example, what are the criteria for triggering a referendum? (You mention when governments are not governing well.

 

 

 

They do but it is much smaller country and a federation, therefore a lot different constitutionally than the UK.

 

Criteria?                           How about EU membership as a benchmark?

Who decides this?         The Gov of the day.

When (How often)?       As infrequently as reasonably practical.

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4 hours ago, Loiner said:

Ask your Sunday guzzling Euro mate. 

 Who's that, then?

 

4 hours ago, Loiner said:

It's his idea for a Remainer party.

You're the one who seems keen on it!

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1 hour ago, RayC said:

You have no idea - and could not hazard an informed guess based on my TVF postings - who was my preferred candidate in last year's Labour party election. Still, when has the lack of any supporting evidence mattered to (most) Brexiters?

 

NB: Between you and me, it wasn't Corbyn.😉

 

I see Corbyn's just had the nidge from Starmer:

 

Jeremy Corbyn to fight suspension from Labour after EHRC antisemitism report comments – politics live

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/oct/29/uk-politics-live-ehrc-to-publish-report-into-labour-and-antisemitism

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3 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

The opposition parties voted against May's deal because they thought that they wanted a GE.

 Whenever a Remainer makes a statement like that, the Brexiteer response is along the lines of "What? Are you privy to what they thought?"

 

But you haven't answered the question. 

 

Neither has @vogie, to whom it was addressed, nor any other Brexiteer.

 

No surprise there; you lot always ignore the difficult questions.

 

 

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2 hours ago, vogie said:

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But you have no idea how democracy works, you are a remainer and you wanted to deny the referendum result like many other remainers on here.

 

Because back in 2016 no one in the Leave campaign would say exactly what Brexit would mean, other than beer and skittles for all, and all the warnings from the Remain side were dismissed as "Project Fear," what most Remainers and even some Brexiteers here in the UK wanted was a referendum on whether or not the withdrawal agreement and final deal were acceptable.

 

That WA and deal are both issues of vital national importance, and I agree with nauseus when he said

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

I see nothing wrong in them asking for the electorate to help with issues of great national importance

 

Of course, had we had a referendum on Johnson's self proclaimed triumph of a deal and had it been accepted by the majority, he'd be in a bit of a tiswas now he wants to renege on it!

 

Be interesting to see how Cummings would sell that one; Boris signed the WA as some form of eye test, maybe!

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3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

So why did the ERG keep voting against it?

 

Because they had read it!

 

Which brings us full circle back to the Brexiteer self contradiction.

 

5 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Was May following the will of the people and was thwarted by a Remainer Parliament; or was she sabotaging the will of the people and was thwarted by a Brexit Parliament? It's got to be one or the other!

 Any answer?

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51 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 Whenever a Remainer makes a statement like that, the Brexiteer response is along the lines of "What? Are you privy to what they thought?"

 

But you haven't answered the question. 

 

Neither has @vogie, to whom it was addressed, nor any other Brexiteer.

 

No surprise there; you lot always ignore the difficult questions.

 

 

 

I was disputing your comment that ' the opposition parties voted against May's deal because they believed her deal was wrong' - not answering your strange question.

 

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1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 Who's that, then?

 

You're the one who seems keen on it!

It’s only a short chain, why didn’t you look who started it when you jumped into it?

 

You’re the one who won’t let it go. A strange obsession. Hey look, you’ve got some of that poster’s egg on your face now. 

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