'It'll be carnage': British companies dread a Brexit border breakdown

[RayC]

On 10/27/2020 at 11:30 AM, evadgib said:

Do you not realize your 'chuckle brothers' routine has been well and truly rumbled?

("Ficker than us" doesn't work pal  )

I'm sure that for the members of your gang, this little ancedote is terribly clever and rib-ticklingly amusing, but unfortunately it's lost on us not 'in the know'. Perhaps, you'd be kind enough to explain it. Thanks.

[luckyluke]

According to The Express :

"Brexit deal just ONE WEEK away from being reached as UK and EU negotiators make progress

HOPES of a Brexit deal were handed a boost after British and European Union negotiators edged closer to a compromise.

By JOE BARNES, BRUSSELS CORRESPONDENT

15:02, Wed, Oct 28, 2020 | UPDATED: 16:45, Wed, Oct 28, 2020"

[RayC]

On 10/27/2020 at 12:27 PM, vogie said:

The irony of all the desperate dooms day Dons on here is that they love blaming everyone and everthing for something that they, and they alone have created. From the moment that the Brexit result was decided and leave won, there is no doubt that we had to leave, that is what we voted for and that is what democracy is all about. It would have been the greatest disaster if we hadn't have left, the United Kingdom voted for it.

All this moaning is tantamount to mental torture, if a man went and did the same to his wife, he would be locked up. And here is where the irony comes into it, the remainers could have walk away with a one foot in and one foot out kind of a deal, but no, that wasn't good enough for them they wanted to stifle Brexit all together, 'we want a peoples vote' they shouted from the rafters, 'we were lied to' 'most of the people that voted to leave are dead now,' 'you didn't know what you were voting for' and all the remainer slogans, what a disingenuous lot they are. The fact of the matter is they have shot themselves in the foot, the once in a lifetime offer is never going to be repeated, so no sympathy from me. You had your chance and you blew it, you are to blame for the deal whatever we get.

You couldn't make this up: You are basically suggesting that he inability of successive UK governments to (seemingly) deliver an amicable divorce from the EU is the fault of Remainers, who didn't want the divorce in the first place.

 

The truth of the matter is that this current fiasco is a creation - and failure - of the Tory party: Cameron gambled and called an unnecessary referendum. Having lost, he resigned. May inherited what should have been an ample enough parliamentary majority of 12 - in reality, 20 with the support of the DUP. However, fearful that the ERG - a group who had no interest in pursuing an amicable divorce -  would not support her negotiations, she gambled and called an unnecessary election, the result of which left her at the ERG's behest.

 

The current position is nothing to do with Remainers; it is the fault of 'hard' Brexiters, who take no responsibility or accept any accountability for their actions.

[Susco]

45 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

According to The Express :

"Brexit deal just ONE WEEK away from being reached as UK and EU negotiators make progress

HOPES of a Brexit deal were handed a boost after British and European Union negotiators edged closer to a compromise.

By JOE BARNES, BRUSSELS CORRESPONDENT

15:02, Wed, Oct 28, 2020 | UPDATED: 16:45, Wed, Oct 28, 2020"

 

 

Thank god for that, I already had given up hope of ever eating fish again in the EU ( well that's what the Brits thought )

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, RayC said:

You couldn't make this up: You are basically suggesting that he inability of successive UK governments to (seemingly) deliver an amicable divorce from the EU is the fault of Remainers, who didn't want the divorce in the first place.

 

The truth of the matter is that this current fiasco is a creation - and failure - of the Tory party: Cameron gambled and called an unnecessary referendum. Having lost, he resigned. May inherited what should have been an ample enough parliamentary majority of 12 - in reality, 20 with the support of the DUP. However, fearful that the ERG - a group who had no interest in pursuing an amicable divorce -  would not support her negotiations, she gambled and called an unnecessary election, the result of which left her at the ERG's behest.

 

The current position is nothing to do with Remainers; it is the fault of 'hard' Brexiters, who take no responsibility or accept any accountability for their actions.

 

The old 'unnecessary referendum' line rears its ugly head yet again but the very result of it proves otherwise.

 

 

[luckyluke]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

The old 'unnecessary referendum' line rears its ugly head yet again but the very result of it proves otherwise.

 

 

The result, if one look at it pragmatically, shows that people of a country are completely divided about which way their nation should go in the future. 

However there is a mathematical result. 

This result must be respected, as it was obtained in a democratic way. 

That some of the "victors" consider now that there should be a "Woe to the vanquished", is a wrong approach. 

It is now up to the government to prove by  concrete measures, to the benefit of all, that the mathematic winners of the referendum were right, and the others wrong. 

[Laughing Gravy]

13 hours ago, androokery said:

BJ is your PM and who should be embarrassed?

All those that said that the leave campaign would not win the referendum. All those who said BJ would not become prime minister. All those who said he wouldn't win the last general election with such a huge majority. All those liberal lefties who constantly scream about democracy and start crying when they lose.

 

All those who just can't understand the majority of people and what they want. No doubt there will be crying rooms galore after next weeks US election.

 

All those who believe in the liberal medias opinion polls.

 

That's enough for starters

[BritManToo]

48 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

It is now up to the government to prove by  concrete measures, to the benefit of all, that the mathematic winners of the referendum were right, and the others wrong. 

It's not about right and wrong ........... democracy is about the will of the people.

[luckyluke]

10 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

It's not about right and wrong ........... democracy is about the will of the people.

Correct, right & wrong is maybe not the precise words to use. 

There is a democratic result.

However one can not denied that the will of the people shows clearly a different approach. 

In my opinion a government can not ignore such kind of result, and thus has to act accordingly. 

Contrary to Brexit, which is here to stay, a government is a changeable entity. 

 

 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, luckyluke said:

The result, if one look at it pragmatically, shows that people of a country are completely divided about which way their nation should go in the future. 

However there is a mathematical result. 

This result must be respected, as it was obtained in a democratic way. 

That some of the "victors" consider now that there should be a "Woe to the vanquished", is a wrong approach. 

It is now up to the government to prove by  concrete measures, to the benefit of all, that the mathematic winners of the referendum were right, and the others wrong. 

 

Of course the result showed that here is division but the point is made that the referendum was necessary. 

[luckyluke]

Just now, nauseus said:

 

Of course the result showed that here is division but the point is made that the referendum was necessary. 

Not really understand what you mean by "necessary" . 

That the 52 won democrately, is a fact which cannot be denied. 

That the 48/52 result, showing that the British voters are completely divided about the situation, is a fact too. 

 

 

[JonnyF]

21 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Not really understand what you mean by "necessary" . 

That the 52 won democrately, is a fact which cannot be denied. 

That the 48/52 result, showing that the British voters are completely divided about the situation, is a fact too. 

 

 

 

It was necessary because it proved that the country was being dragged in a direction that the majority of the people who cared enough to vote on it, did not wish for (further integration into the failing Federalist EU project).

[luckyluke]

25 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

It was necessary because it proved that the country was being dragged in a direction that the majority of the people who cared enough to vote on it, did not wish for (further integration into the failing Federalist EU project).

For me the result of 52/48 is not important enough to claim that there a significant wish of the British voters to go in only one particular direction.

However 52% is a mathematical majority, that no one can contest.

[vogie]

7 hours ago, RayC said:

You couldn't make this up: You are basically suggesting that he inability of successive UK governments to (seemingly) deliver an amicable divorce from the EU is the fault of Remainers, who didn't want the divorce in the first place.

 

The truth of the matter is that this current fiasco is a creation - and failure - of the Tory party: Cameron gambled and called an unnecessary referendum. Having lost, he resigned. May inherited what should have been an ample enough parliamentary majority of 12 - in reality, 20 with the support of the DUP. However, fearful that the ERG - a group who had no interest in pursuing an amicable divorce -  would not support her negotiations, she gambled and called an unnecessary election, the result of which left her at the ERG's behest.

 

The current position is nothing to do with Remainers; it is the fault of 'hard' Brexiters, who take no responsibility or accept any accountability for their actions.

You couldn't make this up: You are basically suggesting that he inability of successive UK governments to (seemingly) deliver an amicable divorce from the EU is the fault of Remainers, who didn't want the divorce in the first place.

It is not a suggestion, but a statement. You can deny as much as you like 'Ray' but you know as well as I do that without the inactions of our parliamentary remainers, we would not be where we are today.

Strangely you mention the ERG but fail to mention the Labour, SNP and the Lib/Dem Parties. Basically by wanting to deny what the country had voted for, they missed the boat called 'I don't Believe in Democracy'

 

The truth of the matter is that this current fiasco is a creation - and failure - of the Tory party: Cameron gambled and called an unnecessary referendum. 

Just because you deem the referendum "unnecessary" it doesn't make it so, the country thought otherwise or would not have voted to leave. If the remainers were a little less selfish they would understand how democracy works, sorry you personally didn't agree with it, but you can sleep more peacefull in your bed knowing most of our country did.

So no matter how much you deny that your remainer parliament had nothing to do with where we are today the more the proverbial ostrich head gets deeper into the sand. Time to accept the massive part and responsibility that the remainers played in our extrication of our partnership with the EU, so well done.

 

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

For me the result of 52/48 is not important enough to claim that there a significant wish of the British voters to go in only one particular direction.

However 52% is a mathematical majority, that no one can contest.

 

You'd have gone with the 48?

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, luckyluke said:

Not really understand what you mean by "necessary" . 

That the 52 won democrately, is a fact which cannot be denied. 

That the 48/52 result, showing that the British voters are completely divided about the situation, is a fact too. 

 

 

 

adjective

1.

required to be done, achieved, or present; needed; essential.

[luckyluke]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

You'd have gone with the 48?

Not sure what you mean.

If you mean, if I would have voted Remain :

yes, because there were not enough concrete factors in my opinion to be assured that things would be better for the man in the street as I am.

So far I am still not convinced.

The U.K. will save huge money by not paying their contribution to the E.U. anymore.

I still have to read what concrete benefit the man in the street in the U.K. will have from this money.

[luckyluke]

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

adjective

1.

required to be done, achieved, or present; needed; essential.

Needed/essential are relative concepts. 

 

One thing is sure, it revealed how divided the British people are about this particular subject. 

 

So maybe one can state it was needed to know this fact.

 

This is next to the fact that Leavers won democrately. 

[Susco]

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

All those that said that the leave campaign would not win the referendum. All those who said BJ would not become prime minister. All those who said he wouldn't win the last general election with such a huge majority. All those liberal lefties who constantly scream about democracy and start crying when they lose.

 

All those who just can't understand the majority of people and what they want. No doubt there will be crying rooms galore after next weeks US election.

 

All those who believe in the liberal medias opinion polls.

 

That's enough for starters

 

 

From his approval ratings, it seems the majority of Brits doesn't agree with you

 

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/boris-johnson-approval-rating

 

Edited October 29, 2020 by Susco

[luckyluke]

24 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

 

From his approval ratings, it seems the majority of Brits doesn't agree with you

 

 

 

 

Ratings are "snapshots". 

It would be enough that Mr. Johnson increase the pensions of the retired/veterans to a decent level (no more to endure the dismal fact it is the lowest in Europe) and sure his ratings will increase considerably. 

Edited October 29, 2020 by luckyluke

[vogie]

38 minutes ago, Susco said:

 

 

From his approval ratings, it seems the majority of Brits doesn't agree with you

 

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/boris-johnson-approval-rating

 

I'm never quite sure what point you are trying to make here, there is no question that for a prime minister that hasn't been in that office for not quite a year, the time he has spent at Number 10 has been quite turbulent by anyones standards. And what ever his approval rating is, it is more to do with the unpopular decisions that the government has imposed on our citizens during this terrible nightmare that is covid 19, nobody likes being told what and when they can do things.

So for all the trials and tribulations that Boris has had to endure during his short time in office, perhaps he isn't doing as bad as you would like us all to believe.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, luckyluke said:

Needed/essential are relative concepts. 

 

One thing is sure, it revealed how divided the British people are about this particular subject. 

 

So maybe one can state it was needed to know this fact.

 

This is next to the fact that Leavers won democrately. 

 

It was needed to know this fact. There. I said it.

 

And the Leavers won democratically. There. I said that too.

[luckyluke]

52 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

It was needed to know this fact. There. I said it.

 

And the Leavers won democratically. There. I said that too.

 

Don't understand the need to repeat me, but ok,

as mostly the way to express yourself, must be very clear for natural English speakers, but rather difficult ( risk of misunderstanding) if not incomprehensible, for not English speakers as myself.

I am sure some of your quotes must be hilarious, or/and extra wise for the "insiders".

 

 

 

[Surelynot]

https://www.facebook.com/1917259725249262/posts/2408952996079930/?vh=e&d=w

 

What I cannot fathom is Johnson, Gove, Raab et al all understand and accept this as a given, yet press ahead......it is sheer lunacy.

 

It must be a power trip for them personally and they really do not give a flying **** for the country or anyone in it.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Surelynot said:

https://www.facebook.com/1917259725249262/posts/2408952996079930/?vh=e&d=w

 

What I cannot fathom is Johnson, Gove, Raab et al all understand and accept this as a given, yet press ahead......it is sheer lunacy.

 

It must be a power trip for them personally and they really do not give a flying **** for the country or anyone in it.

 

Can you show that Johnson, Gove, Raab et al all "understand and accept this"?  

[nauseus]

On 10/26/2020 at 7:18 PM, welovesundaysatspace said:

Or is Remainer Reuters to blame? 
 

As a European, I love reading all those Brexit failures. It keeps giving and giving. Brexiteers have so much egg on their face by now, they look like a bukkake party. Lovely. 

 

 

 

Only a remainer would swallow that lot.

[Surelynot]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

Can you show that Johnson, Gove, Raab et al all "understand and accept this"?  

If they don't they certainly shouldn't be in government.

Edited October 29, 2020 by Surelynot

[Loiner]

22 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Only a remainer would swallow that lot.

Maybe that's what he does every Sunday with his truckers.

[3NUMBAS]

all gumments are unpopular right now but at voting time they will forget about covid when vacinnes have quitened things down .bojo wil sail on through chaos

[RayC]

15 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

The old 'unnecessary referendum' line rears its ugly head yet again but the very result of it proves otherwise.

 

 

Only if you believe that a country should be governed by referendum.