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Quoting the last sentence from the above link:

 

"So the real scandal is: Why did anyone ever listen to this guy?""

 

And why did they - that is, the governments, act on his advice for so long?

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On 10/28/2020 at 1:33 AM, AndrewMciver said:

 

Bloody hell 367 deaths today. Horrific. 

 

As for excess deaths, the UK has one of the highest excess death rates in the world this year. 

Quite. The only figure that means anything, deaths over and above the long term average. In the middle of the year Thailand was about 2% above the average and the UK 43%.

Consideration of excess deaths takes covid out of the equation, as a result of the pandemic many have died in the UK for other reasons, many due to delays in treatment. Thailand on the other hand benefited from the lockdown with a reduction in RTAs.

Very little problem getting treated here in Thailand at a government hospital and everyone should be thankful to the government for keeping it that way.

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7 minutes ago, Humpy said:

Because most Brits couldn't give a flying f£$K about the measures to curb the spread.

And I agree with them,

Live your life, accept death when it comes.

 

It's the British way, always has been.

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On 10/28/2020 at 3:10 AM, dimitriv said:

 

So you make a statement now, but you will wait till the beginning of the next year to prove it?

 

I think the article I quoted clearly says that the number of monthly deaths is higher this year than in previous years. At least in NL.

 

In Italy it is the same. Here a nice graph comparing the monthly deaths last year with this year: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109552/monthly-number-of-deaths-in-italy/

 

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Do you see the number of deaths going up starting March?  That was the time of the first Covid outbreak in Italy. Or don't you see a "statistically significant deviation" ?  

 

 

 

 

I'm sorry but the outbreak and deathtolls in italy specially atalanta bergamo was so severe you can't tell me that the nr of deaths hasn't increased compared to the years before . And look at the US or Brazile or Russia , you can't say that the nr's didn't go up there as well compared to previous years so in my opinion not all "statistics" are painting the right pictures . 

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On 10/28/2020 at 2:22 AM, dimitriv said:

 

Do you have sources for your statement?  

 

What I read is very different:

 

Over the past few weeks, mortality in the Netherlands has been higher than the average figures recorded in previous years. There were 3,575 deaths in week 12 (ending 22 March). This is 443 more than the average weekly figure in the first ten weeks of this year. For week 13 (ending 29 March), the number of deaths is estimated at around 4,300. The estimate has been based on the number of death certificates received by Statistics Netherlands (CBS) for week 13. These figures have been reported by CBS and the National Institute for Public Health and the Environment (RIVM) on the basis of national provisional counts of the number of deaths per week.

 

https://www.cbs.nl/en-gb/news/2020/14/mortality-rising

 

 

 

March??

The virus had barely taken foothold back then. Any more current data? 

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On 10/27/2020 at 10:52 PM, AndrewMciver said:

The UK have fudged the books a tad by eliminating anyone passing away from Covid after 28 days. Yet the question remains, why are they still suffering from such catastrophic numbers? 

 

Even in the first wave, they suffered badly. Now onto the second wave, compared to many countries with equal covid numbers, they are still seeing masses dying. 

 

What on earth is going on here? 

 

How on earth have these Asian countries like Singapore, or Arab countries like UAE managed to have such small numbers of deaths despite huge covid infections per 100,000 people? 

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ethnic areas of the north of england may hold some clues ,overweight black women are most at risk says docs ,possibly too many folks living in small houses

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2 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

And you know that those 361 people would have died anyway do you Doctor?  Are we now saying that its OK for people with 'underlying conditions' to die?  Their health matters less? We should not put restrictions in place because their health doesn't matter?

 

There's some history in that type of thinking - a certain German 'gentleman' called Adolf had a similar mindset.

 

I would also advise you, not that I have any sympathy at all for that type of thinking, that you cannot rely on the term 'underlying conditions' in the way you seem to be.  'Underlying Conditions' covers a wide spectrum of health issues.  I have an 'underlying condition' - its serious but I have a good few years yet.  I am no more liable to die from Covid 19 than anyone else in my age group. Yes if I died from the virus, I would be classified as having and 'underlying condition'.

 

I wonder if those who have passed with Covid-19 and comorbidity would have passed with influenza and comorbidity ?

 

i.e. would those who have sadly passed and had their deaths attributed to Covid-19 (died with Covid-19) - would those same people have died within the next few weeks anyway, would influenza or a common cold have 'tipped them over the edge’ or is their death directly attributed to the respiratory complications from Covid-19 ???? i.e. has Covid-19 stollen weeks, months or even years of the remaining lives of those with ‘underlying conditions’ ?

 

 

 

My Father is 83, relatively healthy and active, but takes a range of tablets, he’s diabetic (takes tablets, no insulin). 

I wonder if Influenza would enough to take his life. Would the equivalent of the H1N1 Pandemic in 2009 taken his life?

OR, would he survive those, but he couldn’t survive Covid-19 ????

 

How much more veracious is Covid-19 than the H1N1 outbreak in 2009 ????? 

 

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On 10/28/2020 at 10:26 AM, NorthernRyland said:

Here's excess deaths in the US. Considering 70% of deaths were people over 70 it's not *that* bad in terms of years of life lost. It only looks like a catastrophe when you start tallying together all deaths on aggregate and repeating the number over and over again to the public. 

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Source?

What does the red crosses indicate?

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6 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

March??

The virus had barely taken foothold back then. Any more current data? 

 

March was (at least in NL) the first month the virus hit. And the graph clearly shows the number of excess deaths going up. There were no Covid tests at all at that moment, so no numbers about people infected with Covid. 

 

 

 

 

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