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7 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

It's almost surreal living in Thailand, where life (other than wearing masks and the lack of tourists) is completely normal. One almost has to pinch oneself to remember there's a pandemic.

 

Don't worry. The vested interests are doing all they can to change that. Cruise ships anyone?

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Not really, most politicians are old and paying all the debt back and worrying about unemployment in the future is not going to bother them in the slightest when leaving office.  In years to come the

no, neither him nor anyone else know its going to be harder or more deadly, nothing indicate it whatsoever

"The virus is circulating at a speed that not even the most pessimistic forecasts had anticipated,"   And China seems to be fine? 

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14 minutes ago, candide said:

Trump bungled the response to the first wave (compared to Europe). This is fact. It cannot be caught up.

 

This is now the second wave, so the issue is how they respond to it.  It will surge a bit later (a few weeks) in the US, so Trump will still have to opportunity to show if He's able to do better.

Didn't Europe bungle the first wave too if they're now facing record infections...wouldn't a non-bungled response look like what we now see in China, Taiwan, S. Korea, Japan, Vietnam, New Zealand, and Thailand? Maybe stop looking at the pandemic through biased political lenses. 

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11 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

Don't worry. The vested interests are doing all they can to change that. Cruise ships anyone?

It takes a lot of screening and testing to get on any of the few cruise ships that are sailing right now...probably one of the safest groups to allow into Thailand.

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There are two important factors behind this decision.

- the first is that no government will be able to survive a situation in which people may die in hospitals' corridors because they haven't flattened the curve:

- the second is that, by responding now, they may be able to return to a nearly normal situation in December. It is very important from an economic POV, as people spend a lot of money at this time of the year. It is also important from a social/familly and entertainment POV. November is just a plain month.

 

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5 minutes ago, candide said:

There are two important factors behind this decision.

- the first is that no government will be able to survive a situation in which people may die in hospitals' corridors because they haven't flattened the curve:

- the second is that, by responding now, they may be able to return to a nearly normal situation in December. It is very important from an economic POV, as people spend a lot of money at this time of the year. It is also important from a social/familly and entertainment POV. November is just a plain month.

 

2020 might be remembered for the Deathly Christmas. 🎄 

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4 hours ago, Brunolem said:

They make tons of money thanks to their stupid neighbors. 

 

As far as the German economy is concerned, the euro is grossly undervalued, which gives a fantastic boost to its exports. 

 

Meanwhile the euros is grossly overvalued for most of the other economies of the union. 

 

It is the latter (Spain, Italy...) who should leave. 

 

Germany is not paying anything for the other members... these are just entries to balance the ECBs book, without any real transfer of money from one state to another. 

You have no idea what you're talking about. 

 

 

 

   In 2019 Germany's contributions to the budget of the European Union was 25.82 billion Euros, the highest of any EU member state. France was the next highest contributor at 21 billion Euros, followed by Italy at 14.96 billion Euros and the United Kingdom at 14 billion Euros.

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Anyone with half a brain has known this for months. Meanwhile, countries who did not lock down are doing fine, but had an initial harder spike but well worth it in the long run in terms of lives saved. This has been clear for at least two months now. It is utter insanity. 

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10 hours ago, rabas said:

Going vertical. France alone is now beyond the entire EU first peak. Belgium, not shown, is off the charts.

 

Line chart shows coronavirus cases rising in European countries

and they were warned but still decided the money was more important - this virus doesn't give a damn if you're suffering from 'lockdown fatigue' or that your right to not mask up is being infringed. All it wants to do is to infect a many as possible which it is now doing. Time for folks to grow up if they want to get a handle on this..

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1 hour ago, rabas said:

Scientific, not political.

 

Europe and the US were hit with a much more infectious strain named 614G. Asian countries were hit earlier with 614D. 614G is up to 10X more infectious but not more severe. This made it much easier for the Asian countries to clamp down and near impossible for the also somewhat less prepared Western counties to stop it. 

 

Being more infectious, 614G eventually dominated 98% of all cases as seen in this graph.

 

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According to an early Chinese paper, Wuhan, oddly was hit with a more infectious strain right after the clamp down, saving the rest of China. 614G could come back to Asia or Thailand.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867420308205

That may be the case, however, the fact that most of Europe completely opened-up over the Summer, after somewhat successfully tamping down the virus in the Spring, I would call a bungled virus response.

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3 hours ago, Paiman said:

 The german old and new expert on this is Christian Drosten, he is a key member who developed the not very reliable PCR test and promotes it for using to governments. He is also the main adviser to the german government and pro scaremongering.

 

Others might think that is a conflict of interest, but not for authority loving germans.

 

I just hope sooner or later more countries will look towards Sweden, because many people feel their life is stolen by the governments.

 

The man made Fallout is now far worse then the Fallout from the virus.

 

There might be reasons like this why today there is very little communication anymore between Drosten and Hendrick Streeck, another other leading specialist in Germany.

 

Streeck has a much more pragmatic approach, and if he had the same influence to the German government, an approach more similar to that in Sweden might have been chosen.

 

Now it is autumn, winter is coming, and the numbers are going up as expected, due to the different climatic conditions. After the November lockdown, they will think about the next one in Febuary then, and maybe one more in May, and in summer 2021, everything will be fine again. But do they want to continue this endlessly? More and more it becomes obvious that Swedens approach is the right one.

 

 

 

 

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New coronavirus variant spreading across Europe, scientists warn

The Irish Times

 

A coronavirus variant that originated in Spanish farm workers has spread rapidly through much of Europe since the summer, and now accounts for the majority of new Covid-19 cases in several countries.

 

"From the spread of 20A.EU1, it seems clear that the [virus prevention] measures in place were often not sufficient to stop onward transmission of introduced variants this summer,” said Emma Hodcroft, an evolutionary geneticist.  [the properties of this new mutation are not yet fully understood]  "But she emphasised that 20A.EU1 was unlike any version of Sars-Cov-2 – the virus that causes Covid-19–- she had previously come across."

 

 

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25 minutes ago, rabas said:

New coronavirus variant spreading across Europe, scientists warn

The Irish Times

 

A coronavirus variant that originated in Spanish farm workers has spread rapidly through much of Europe since the summer, and now accounts for the majority of new Covid-19 cases in several countries.

 

"From the spread of 20A.EU1, it seems clear that the [virus prevention] measures in place were often not sufficient to stop onward transmission of introduced variants this summer,” said Emma Hodcroft, an evolutionary geneticist.  [the properties of this new mutation are not yet fully understood]  "But she emphasised that 20A.EU1 was unlike any version of Sars-Cov-2 – the virus that causes Covid-19–- she had previously come across."

 

 

So why was it different?

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