thaibeachlovers Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: According to these statistics they are not... https://fullfact.org/crime/robbery-uk-world-leader/ The UK overtook the US in 2017. But in any case you could try banning guns in the US. Good luck with that. If even 10% of people refused, you would still have millions of firearms in circulation, and I can guarantee that more than 10% of gun owners would refuse. So realisticallly another solution is needed. The whole gun banning thing didn't work out too well in Australia when they tried after a mass shooting. There is little evidence that it had any effect other than to disarm the population. They tried to limit long weapons in NZ after the mosque shooting but the amount of weapons sold to the government was a lot less than the estimated number of weapons in the country. Of course the gangs have no problem obtaining weapons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Banana republic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post polpott Posted October 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said: Lots of knife and acid on face crimes...ban those next? Acid on face crimes are rare in the UK and usually Moslem on Moslem. And yes carrying a knife in public is already banned. We have suffered a number of Islamic terrorist attacks in the UK since we banned guns. Not one has involved guns. You can kill a lot more people in a random attack with an AK47 than you can with a knife. Banning guns in the UK has undoubtedly saved many lives. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya Spotter Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 50 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: True, but irrelevant to the American context. It's too late for banning them. How will they be effectively taken/confiscated? It can't be done, so IMHO the drive to remove them won't ever have any success. Plus there is that pesky "Constitution" thing... Plus the UK has other crimes to worry about . From what I understand, the robbery and assault rates are staggering. Lots of petty crime and bold thieves who don't have to worry about being either caught or shot. Not a great solution either I think. The ruling class from the Queen on down have plenty of protection (with many carrying guns!)...the plebs are left to fend for themselves. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scammed Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 they cant keep up with demand on ammo, a friend of mine was in queue for 2 hours to get ammo, and could only buy 100 cartridges 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya Spotter Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, polpott said: Banning guns in the UK has undoubtedly saved many lives. So they chase foxes and pheasants around with what now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pattaya Spotter Posted October 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, scammed said: they cant keep up with demand on ammo, a friend of mine was in queue for 2 hours to get ammo, and could only buy 100 cartridges Should never let one's stocks get below a couple thousand rounds...never know when it will hit the fan and your country needs you. Edited October 30, 2020 by Pattaya Spotter 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polpott Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said: So they chase foxes and pheasants around with what now? Chasing foxes is illegal. Pheasants aren't chased they're beaten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotman Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 firearms and ammunition in a department store, among the biscuits, breakfast cereals and vegetables?? Americans don't appear to realise how bizarre that is in a civilised , western country. No real wonder that your school kids regularly end up shooting each other. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Captain Monday Posted October 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, scammed said: they cant keep up with demand on ammo, a friend of mine was in queue for 2 hours to get ammo, and could only buy 100 cartridges Doubt it. Few Americans know what a "queue" is and there is no ammo shortage The right-wing media and arms industry drum it up every election season Obamas gunna get yer gun, Hillarys gonna get yer gun! The last few mass covid spread events the President had been saying Biden will confiscate guns when there is absolutely no chance of it. Pure propaganda. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya Spotter Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Pilotman said: firearms and ammunition in a department store, among the biscuits, breakfast cereals and vegetables?? Americans don't appear to realise how bizarre that is in a civilised , western country. No real wonder that your school kids regularly end up shooting each other. No...in the hunting and sporting goods department. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotman Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Pattaya Spotter said: No...in the hunting and sporting goods department. like that makes it okay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxYakov Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 5 hours ago, PatOngo said: 5 hours ago, Surelynot said: Just imagine how safe America would be if they ALL had guns and could carry their guns ALL the time where ever they went. That is the logical extension isn't it? Just imagine how many dead Americans there'd be! One doesn't have to imagine. Have you ever heard of Chicago, Il, USA? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya Spotter Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Captain Monday said: The last few mass covid spread events the President had been saying Biden will confiscate guns when there is absolutely no chance of it. Because Republicans won't let them...they would if they could...Robert Francis O'Rouke said the quiet part out loud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya Spotter Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Just now, Pilotman said: like that makes it okay. Yes...hunting is a popular sport in many parts of the world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jvs Posted October 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2020 6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: As for background checks, criminals apparently have no problem getting weapons without them. You can be perfectly sane and have high morals and obtain a gun or a lot of guns. Someday something happens and you snap and shoot some one,now you are a criminal. You see how this works? "he should have never bought a fast bike" "she should never have gone out with him" "we should never have elected him" and so on. The line that criminals always have access to guns is very old and worn out. It is time people start behaving like civilized beings. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Surelynot Posted October 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, jvs said: It is time people start behaving like civilized beings. Well said.....education is the key...it might take generations though. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxYakov Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, jvs said: 6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: As for background checks, criminals apparently have no problem getting weapons without them. You can be perfectly sane and have high morals and obtain a gun or a lot of guns. Someday something happens and you snap and shoot some one,now you are a criminal. You see how this works? "he should have never bought a fast bike" "she should never have gone out with him" "we should never have elected him" and so on. The line that criminals always have access to guns is very old and worn out. It is time people start behaving like civilized beings. No, I don't see how this works. But I think I see how 'straw man arguments' [wiki link] work. Do you want all people to 'start behaving like civilized beings'? Good Luck with that! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PatOngo Posted October 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2020 20 minutes ago, MaxYakov said: One doesn't have to imagine. Have you ever heard of Chicago, Il, USA? Is that anywhere near Buriram? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 39 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said: Should never let one's stocks get below a couple thousand rounds...never know when it will hit the fan and your country needs you. Serious gun owners load their own. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, jvs said: You can be perfectly sane and have high morals and obtain a gun or a lot of guns. Someday something happens and you snap and shoot some one,now you are a criminal. You see how this works? "he should have never bought a fast bike" "she should never have gone out with him" "we should never have elected him" and so on. The line that criminals always have access to guns is very old and worn out. It is time people start behaving like civilized beings. LOL. IN NZ loads of people have ( or had ) weapons and never use them on other people. Mass shootings in NZ are very rare. I used to own several and never fired them in anger or threatened anyone with them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hanaguma Posted October 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2020 29 minutes ago, Pilotman said: like that makes it okay. Same in Canada. Go to a hardware store/home center and you can buy a shotgun or rifle, ammo, whatever, as long as you have the correct licensing. They're just guns, man. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Rising Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 45 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said: Should never let one's stocks get below a couple thousand rounds...never know when it will hit the fan and your country needs you. As a trump supporter surely you regard running as a perfectly acceptable answer if your country should need you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxYakov Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, PatOngo said: 29 minutes ago, MaxYakov said: One doesn't have to imagine. Have you ever heard of Chicago, Il, USA? Is that anywhere near Buriram? Ever heard of 'Google Maps' (I even stated Chicago's country, just in case)? BTW, be careful where you Buriram. I'd hate to hear of anything untoward happening to it. Gratuitous TVF Previous Comment Ref. HERE [TVF permalink]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy John Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, billd766 said: Then the problem seems to be how enforce the gun laws to prevent criminals from buying guns. I think a lot of the gun transactions are from other criminals...but there must be a good number using stolen ID. And of course criminals steal guns...in robberies and such. When I was a kid...in Stralia, was not unusual to see guys with a rifle slung over their back bicycling out to hunt rabbits. Dad had a gun rack in the old (not then!) FJ ute with a .22 Brno almost permanently in place. Sometimes his .303. For crow control in lambing season he had a .222 Winchester Model 70. He would cycle out to the lambing paddock before sun-up with a hide...bit like the material used in a Ghillie suit but throw over like a blanket. He would remain in the one place all day, some days, and on others until the crows departed! Still lost some lambs. The crows favourite meal was to pick out the young lambs eyes...if he wasn't there. Edited October 30, 2020 by Grumpy John smelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pattaya Spotter Posted October 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: LOL. IN NZ loads of people have ( or had ) weapons and never use them on other people. Mass shootings in NZ are very rare. I used to own several and never fired them in anger or threatened anyone with them. Yep...same with 99.98% of gun owners in the US. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onebir Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Grumpy John said: The crows favourite meal was to pick out the young lambs eyes...if he wasn't there. Lucky Dumbo stumbled across a good bunch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onebir Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Tries to imagine going down to the local Asda for an AR. Fails... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya Spotter Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said: As a trump supporter surely you regard running as a perfectly acceptable answer if your country should need you? That's one way to do it...but sometimes it's not enough...like in 1776 and 1861. It's best to be ready for all contingencies. You know what one gun owner said to another: "I'm down to a thousand rounds..." "You're running low." Edited October 30, 2020 by Pattaya Spotter 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hanaguma Posted October 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, onebir said: Tries to imagine going down to the local Asda for an AR. Fails... Wouldn't make much difference if you could. ARs and other long guns are used in very very few crimes and murders. The real killers are handguns. That's why I laugh at all the fuss about banning "assault weapons" (whatever they are). More people in the US are stabbed to death than killed with rifles. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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