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My son in Washington State had a difficult time buying a pistol about a month ago as they're getting all bought up, and the prices of the weapon and ammo have skyrocketed. If I was a betting man, I'd say it's more than likely a civil war is coming. Many security experts have warned the next 100 days are gonna get real ugly back in the states.

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Yeah, so many mass shootings back then. Just give me a minute or so to reload...

Of course we have similar policies in place in the UK.   A lot of our supermarkets will not sell eggs or flour to teenagers at Halloween!

Why, is it the only place that sells?   Good to see some social responsibility.

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8 minutes ago, J Town said:

If I was a betting man, I'd say it's more than likely a civil war is coming.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree...there's a lot of unfinished business from the last one; but I'd say maybe in 10-20 years because it takes time for everything to come to a head. If true federalism were respected, however, a complete break could be avoided.

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3 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Wouldn't make much difference if you could. ARs and other long guns are used in very very few crimes and murders. The real killers are handguns.  That's why I laugh at all the fuss about banning "assault weapons" (whatever they are).  More people in the US are stabbed to death than killed with rifles.

It was a reference to the difference between US & UK gun laws/culture... not any particular detail of the former. (I think it's fair to say 'we brits' don't for the most part care much, or know much about guns.)

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Just now, Pattaya Spotter said:

I wouldn't necessarily disagree...there's a lot of unfinished business from the last one...but I'd say maybe in 10-20 years because it takes times for everything to come to a head.

And I'd say the time is now. The last four years has emboldened the people who traded a white hood for a red ballcap. Folks from either party are broke, desperate and facing evictions nationwide. Early voting indicates a solid Biden win and I've seen plenty of interviews of those red ballcap folks who said they will take to the streets, weapons in hand, should that happen because 45 has told them repeatedly if Biden wins it will be a sham. I hope we're both wrong and an actual civil war never comes about. The next hundred days will tell for this election cycle, and may it pass quickly!

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Just now, J Town said:

And I'd say the time is now. The last four years has emboldened the people who traded a white hood for a red ballcap. Folks from either party are broke, desperate and facing evictions nationwide. Early voting indicates a solid Biden win and I've seen plenty of interviews of those red ballcap folks who said they will take to the streets, weapons in hand, should that happen because 45 has told them repeatedly if Biden wins it will be a sham. I hope we're both wrong and an actual civil war never comes about. The next hundred days will tell for this election cycle, and may it pass quickly!

There will be legal resistance to a Harris Presidency (opps Biden Administration) in Congress, the courts, and the streets by Republicans just as the Democrats have done throughout Trump's presidency. Longer term, however, I feel two very different America's are solidifying, with different conceptions of the nation they want to live in and be a part of. Like I said, if federalism is truly respected, and the states re-assert their jurisdiction over the federal government and take back their legitimate powers to govern themselves, violence and a break-up can be avoided. If not, i fear the worst.

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Just now, heybruce said:

I did not state that guns stolen from unlocked cars are the only source of illegal weapons in criminal hands. However I point out that many of the links that result from "guns stolen unlocked cars" link to news sources summarizing many cases of many guns easily stolen from unlocked vehicles.  One also must wonder how many times this happened without the gun owner reporting his/her own stupidity.

 

More important, you missed my obvious point that stupid (untrained and unqualified) people should not own guns.  I own guns, I also still remember, from many years ago, my small arms training from an NCO who made it very clear that he would shoot anyone of us who handled our weapons in a dangerously irresponsible manner.  It drove home the point that handling a weapon is a very serious responsibility.

 

I support the right of responsible, properly trained citizens to own self defense and hunting weapons.  I object to the ease with which anyone, including irresponsible idiots, can obtain guns.  I think minimum standards should be required by law.  Don't you agree?

 

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3 hours ago, billd766 said:

Then the problem seems to be how enforce the gun laws to prevent criminals from buying guns.

Here's one suggestion:  Don't make it so easy to legally buy guns that any idiot with a few days of minimum wage pay can buy a weapon many times more lethal than what was available (at much greater cost) when the 2nd Amendment was written.

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2 minutes ago, J Town said:

Fast forward to the 21st century. Farmers, hunters and law enforcement need weapons, but the carryover from several hundred years of history is difficult to shake.

555 You haven't got several hundred years of history.

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2 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Criminals will get guns. Simple, sad fact. So, what to do about it?

 

I propose a mandatory extra 10-20 year add-on to any criminal conviction which involved a firearm. Not up for negotiation, plea bargain, or time off for good behavior.  

 

I don't own a gun, don't want to either. But I understand how many Americans feel about them.  It is a culture that many of us didn't grow up in. I was a bit of a country boy back in the day, but my exposure to firearms was limited to my grandfather's 22 calibre single shot rifle that we used to plink tin cans off my cousin's back fence.  Then I carried a 'real' rifle in the military, after that I kind of lost interest. 

Here are few more suggestions:

 

Make penalties for carrying a gun under the influence of alcohol or drugs as severe as penalties for driving under the influence.

 

Make it a felony to improperly secure a dangerous weapon when not in use.

 

Make the excuse "I didn't think it was loaded" an admission of criminal negligence when used after an 'accidental' shooting.

 

Most important, aggressively enforce these laws.  I'm sure that laws that have the same effect as the above are in place in most states, but rarely enforced.

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