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Koh Samui: Only 10% of properties - some owned by foreigners - on disputed hills are legal


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40 minutes ago, RobFord said:

At the developers expense? They’re long gone. Duh.

Quite a few developers are still there but the problem is the people that signed off saying it was ok to build . Supposedly most of them have moved to mainland , retired or have passed away . 

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Irregularities? Doesn't he mean blatant fraud and criminal activity by the land department and the judiciary that was supposed to be keeping things honest? I would wager that it involves a lot more th

Don’t investigate the developers. Look at where the land titles and planning permits came from. 

I wonder who sold the land in the first place? Not the 'furious' locals, surely.

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3 hours ago, JusticeGB said:

The planning laws in Samui are that houses built on slopes between 35 and 50 degrees can have a maximum size of 80 square metres and 75% of the land must remain free of buildings of which 50% be filled with native trees. It's obvious looking at the pictures of these houses that none comply with these conditions before even considering if the chanots are legal.

I thought you could not build on land above 45deg slopes? 

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1 hour ago, ronaldo0 said:

Two of the biggest eyesore areas in samui are chaweng noi and banrak hillside . Having been in the villas in the photos I wouldn’t buy one if I could afford it . Yes the view was nice but not amazing and it is a bit cooler as you have breeze higher up , but other than that the place I was at last was 56 million bht and had a nice terrace but the building was basically a few walls with large glass doors . The other problem with these villas is the roads to access them are either like mt Everest or a fair old drive . Plus the fact that they all are that close together you would have zero privacy and can hardly turn up your stereo etc . No thanks !

Was going with a large group to a Bangrak hillside villa for a dinner party one night it was a large group of us coming from Lamai we booked a mini van to take us but he would not drive up the hill to the villa because of the gradient. We had to call our hosts and they had to come down in the 4x4 and take us up in several trips. 

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39 minutes ago, Swimfan said:

Was going with a large group to a Bangrak hillside villa for a dinner party one night it was a large group of us coming from Lamai we booked a mini van to take us but he would not drive up the hill to the villa because of the gradient. We had to call our hosts and they had to come down in the 4x4 and take us up in several trips. 

Yip have been up a few like that with the car in 4 x 4 mode and even then it was wheel spinning. Made me wonder how they got all the building materials up . 😄

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10 hours ago, ThreeEyedRaven said:

Irregularities? Doesn't he mean blatant fraud and criminal activity by the land department and the judiciary that was supposed to be keeping things honest? I would wager that it involves a lot more than just two hills too.

It presumably also involved mountains of brown envelopes.

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I recently drove to, or at least tried to drive to a house in Chaweng Noi. The hill was so steep the wheels were spinning. No  grip. Had to give up.

Would hate to try it in the rain. I suppose the people that can afford to buy those places can afford a big 4WD. But a scary drive nonetheless.

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6 hours ago, Ventenio said:
  8 hours ago, b17 said:

To our astonishment, we read about the same property being sold to five different foreigners.

 

6 hours ago, Ventenio said:

 

farang, please give Thailand your money.  please.  all of it.  no, you no get money back.  and no property.  thanks farang you very hansome

 

but no clever.  no no  .  please get friend buy too he also very hansome  if he have money .   

The ignorance of some comments amazes me at times.

I have lived on Samui for 20 years.

There are at least three cases that I know of where properties or land, in the area where I live, have been sold to multiple people. In every case, the deal was made by foreigners. Not Thais.

I do not personally know of any dodgy deal made by a Thai to a foreigner here on Samui. It has always been farang to farang.

Yes, the land office enable it to happen, but the money behind it is farang.

On the hill where I live, land has been sold and 12 properties have been built illegally. The DSI have told the land office to sort it out or they will recind the chanote titles.

The land was sold by a farang.

The Thais are not the 'root of all that is evil' in Thailand.

And yes, I have been ripped off by builders/contractors. All of them farangs. For the last 15 years I have only used local Thai contractors in all cases except one. Locals are cheaper and in many cases - more honest

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4 minutes ago, Tropicalevo said:

 

The ignorance of some comments amazes me at times.

I have lived on Samui for 20 years.

There are at least three cases that I know of where properties or land, in the area where I live, have been sold to multiple people. In every case, the deal was made by foreigners. Not Thais.

I do not personally know of any dodgy deal made by a Thai to a foreigner here on Samui. It has always been farang to farang.

Yes, the land office enable it to happen, but the money behind it is farang.

On the hill where I live, land has been sold and 12 properties have been built illegally. The DSI have told the land office to sort it out or they will recind the chanote titles.

The land was sold by a farang.

The Thais are not the 'root of all that is evil' in Thailand.

And yes, I have been ripped off by builders/contractors. All of them farangs. For the last 15 years I have only used local Thai contractors in all cases except one. Locals are cheaper and in many cases - more honest

Wasn't there a big case about something called the coco mafia in the early 2000's?

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3 minutes ago, phetphet said:

Wasn't there a big case about something called the coco mafia in the early 2000's?

Yes. His name was Axxn Sxxd. Many properties were sold but many were never finished.

They are back up for sale again (urgent) on Plai Laem Soi 7. I know a few people who lost a lot of money to him. The current 'corporate group' are doing a good but difficult job of sorting it all out. (after 15 years?) AS was the front man. His and Thai money was behind it all.

He also owned Coco Blues and a Chinese restaurant in Chaweng.

Organised the one and only big concert on Samui. Jerry Lee Lewis, UB 40 and others.

Bought a seaplane for visa runs to Burma and did few other 'dodgy' deals

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40 minutes ago, phetphet said:

I recently drove to, or at least tried to drive to a house in Chaweng Noi. The hill was so steep the wheels were spinning. No  grip. Had to give up.

Would hate to try it in the rain. I suppose the people that can afford to buy those places can afford a big 4WD. But a scary drive nonetheless.

Yes. I have been asked to work in a couple of developments in Chaweng Noi and Bophut Hills.

In the end, I have said 'Thank you but no thank you'. As you say, scary. I do not want to attend any more hospitals or funerals in Samui.

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3 hours ago, Swimfan said:

Was going with a large group to a Bangrak hillside villa for a dinner party one night it was a large group of us coming from Lamai we booked a mini van to take us but he would not drive up the hill to the villa because of the gradient. We had to call our hosts and they had to come down in the 4x4 and take us up in several trips. 

I live on a hill in Plai Laem (near Bangrak).

Many times, 'outside' minivans have said - cannot. It is not a factor of cannot, it is a fear factor of having to turn around on a gradient.

The local minivan company that we use (that know the hill) always pick up and drop off.

Mind you, there are some hills on the island that I would refuse to go up.

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I imagine it will be a simple process to find the name of the person at the land office who "Signed" the permit to construct on each of these illegal sites ?

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