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With election looming, U.S. faces record surge of coronavirus cases


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19 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Most countries that succeeded in controlling the virus adopted strategies that incorporated early detection, testing, contact tracing, social distancing and mask.

That was the vaunted European approach and it has clearly failed. Because there is little to no virus in China, when cases are found, they can now use less draconian measures to control it.

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1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I think it's pretty clear, and China has shown, that the only way to get a handle on the  virus is a large scale complete lockdown of the population and shutdown of all non-essential economic and social activity for a 2-3 month period. The question is whether there is the political and social will in the America's and Europe to do this...so far there hasn't been and the virus is running unabated.

In Europe there has been and it looks like it will be again.

 

The US needs a president who cares about the people not just his bank balance to get on top of Covid.

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2 minutes ago, polpott said:

In Europe there has been and it looks like it will be again.

 

The US needs a president who cares about the people not just his bank balance to get on top of Covid.

The European lockdowns are only partial, with many exceptions; that's why they failed the first time and will likely again. Not sure what Trump's bank balance has to do with Covid...I'll just put it down to a typical anti-Trump non-sequiter. 

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1 minute ago, polpott said:

Not true. Several European countries had complete lockdowns. The UK lockdown wasn't as severe and a bit late but still managed to get deaths down to single figures and new cases below 600/day by early July. It was extremely effective in Europe.

There was pretty good success from the first lockdown but the re-opening afterwards during the Summer was completely insane. I count the lockdown and re-opening as part of a single coronavirus control event. The fact the virus has come roaring back in Europe (and not in Asia) shows their entire virus control efforts to have been ineffective. 

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4 minutes ago, polpott said:

The virus came back for 2 reasons, the lockdowns were lifted too soon and too rapidly and the borders were opened up.

That's what I said.

 

5 minutes ago, polpott said:

 

Thailand didn't even start to ease the lockdown until they had reached zero cases and zero deaths for over a month. Masks and distancing remain in force and the borders are still closed, hence no resurgence.

That's what I said an effective response looks like.

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19 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

US is currently tracking 4th worldwide for number of deaths per 100,000 from Covid. Yesterday new infections were just under 90k for the day - not a good look for Covid management by the wealthiest country in the world

I don't think a country's relative wealth has any bearing on how well their virus response is and how well they control it. The degree of social trust and cultural factors are much more important. 

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3 minutes ago, polpott said:

So why doesn't the US do the same?

China, and much of Asia, operate on a much more authoritarian model wherein draconian steps to stop virus spread can easily be taken by governments. There is also much more emphasis on the rights of society as a whole as opposed to individual rights in Asia, so people are more willing to take individual actions to help the whole of society (like wearing masks) which help control the virus. In the West (U.S. & Europe) it's exactly the opposite on both counts and therefore they've both failed to control the virus. The Western model of society is at a distinct disadvantage in fighting this (or any) pandemic than the Asian model...this is just a fact.

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1 minute ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

China, and much of Asia, operate on a much more authoritarian model wherein draconian steps to stop virus spread can easily be taken by governments. There is also much more emphasis on the rights of society as a whole as opposed to individual rights in Asia, so people are more willing to take individual actions to help the whole of society (like wearing masks) which help control the virus. In the West (U.S. & Europe) it's exactly the opposite on both counts and therefore they've both failed to control the virus. The Western model of society is at a distinct disadvantage in fighting this (or any) pandemic than the Asian model...this is just a fact.

Don't judge all Western nations by the US.

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36 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I don't think a country's relative wealth has any bearing on how well their virus response is and how well they control it. The degree of social trust and cultural factors are much more important. 

 

Sure, contributing factors for which trump is an utter loser

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2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

IMO the world has learn a lot on how to handle Covid-19 and a draconian China style lockdown can be avoided to control the virus. Most countries that succeeded in controlling the virus adopted strategies that incorporated early detection, testing, contact tracing, social distancing and mask. Even China has moved away from complete lockdown recently when cases were detected in Qingdao and preferred mass testing and tracing. All said leadership is important and sadly missing in US at the moment. 

UUM yes, but>> Mr "It is under control and it will just go disappear" did not want to take any of the steps you mentioned. He said he knew what was best.

 

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28 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Sure, contributing factors for which trump is an utter loser

I know you want to make everything about "the Orange Bad-Man" but believe it or not, there was an America before Trump and the social mistrust and anger preceeded him. There is also America's ethos of rugged individualism and vaunted freedom of expression that makes taking collective society-wide actions to control a viral pandemic difficult, no matter who is president. If Biden is elected president, you will see that despite whatever actions he may take, virus numbers and deaths won't substantially change until there are effective vaccines and/or treatments.

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Just now, Pattaya Spotter said:

I know you want to make everything about "the Orange Bad-Man" but believe it or not, there was an America before Trump and the social mistrust and anger preceeded him. There is also America's ethos of rugged individualism and vaunted freedom of expression that makes taking collective society-wide actions to control a viral pandemic difficult, no matter who is president. 

American exceptionalism is now its downfall. If you are trying to tell me someone like Obama would have done no better than Trump, at least he would have made the attempt. Permit to doubt he would have suggested taking a dubious medication or injecting bleach, he would have been listening to the scientists.

 

 

 

 

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The deaths lag the infections by between 2 & 8 weeks so look back that far to see why the deaths are not going up.

this is the infection rate

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infections have jumped from 60,000 per day to over 100,000 per day in the last 6 days.

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and here is the difference between a second world country that is doing a reasonable job and the USA who is ridiculously bad.E0AD4DCE-39A5-4866-BEEB-C227327ABE81.jpeg.c80b1436e2990193d424ddeb780e4755.jpeg

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11 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Permit to doubt he would have suggested taking a dubious medication or injecting bleach

He never did either...maybe change your news diet from late night comedy shows to real news sources. And what's Europe's downfall?

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2 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

He never did either...maybe change your news diet from late night comedy shows to real news sources. And what's Europe's downfall?

"He never did either.."

No, as usual he suggested other people do it. Once a coward, always a coward.

 

"And what's Europe's downfall?"

Didn't know Europe is about to fall. 

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