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6 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Those named in the reports, will now be referred for further investigation and possible prosecution, however this report took four years, and it could be a decade before any criminal prosecutions begin.

 

And another ten or fifteen years for the whole lamentably long and sad procedure to come to any conclusion by which time most officers and NCO's found responsible will have either passed away or be in such a frail physical and mental state that their defense lawyers will successfully argue that any custodial sentence would 'mean a premature end to life' and deny them their human rights.

 

'twas ever thus.

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25 minutes ago, Traubert said:

Why was Aus in Afghanistan anyway? On Americas say so?

 

To bring in democracy and organise free  elections.

Or bring back the stinger-missiles donated to the Taliban against Russian helicopter attacks in the 80’s...

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someone that hasnt killed a human is a liability in battle,

there is no telling if he is going to kill or flip out.

not excusing executions of pow & civilians,

its ultimately a selfish act by the commanders

with no empathy for humans whatsoever

 

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1 hour ago, Pilotman said:

they don't look bad to me, they sound like people doing a job that few in society would be prepare to do, to defend democracy and the way of way of life that all the hand wringing liberals enjoy, but don't like to acknowledge the price. don't criticise   unless you have served. 


Well, this is a quote from someone who served. He was there. I will listen to him. And backed up with video.

 

Footage shot by members of 3 Squadron SAS during the unit’s 2012 rotation through Afghanistan.

It shows the destruction of buildings, motorbikes and the shooting of dogs. 

“We try and say that we’re there to help and the Taliban are bad. But if we go in and we start destroying infrastructure or destroying their private vehicles and burning down their homes it doesn’t really send the right message,” Chapman said.

“They’re going to run straight back to the Taliban, who usually are not doing that.”

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/four-corners-sas-allegations-war-crimes/12028522?nw=0

 

 


 

 

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Maybe we have (special forces) veterans here on TV and maybe they can elaborate.

 

Obviously what happened is very bad and it should not happen. But in a way I would be surprised if not basically all front line soldiers become something like crazy or dehumanized or psychologically disturbed at some stage. How can you stay "normal" under those conditions?

I was never in a war zone. But just by looking at some pictures and videos I get the idea being there must destroy the mind in some way.

That is obviously no excuse. But I think the problem is war in itself. People get crazy in the war.

 

I would love to see comments from veterans what they think about this.

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1 hour ago, Natai Beach said:


why did Australia declare war on Afghanistan?

 

They went in along with USA and some other nations to change a culture about which they knew little, for the sake of minerals and resources and the USA Australia alliance.  To keep a war machine operation for greedy individuals.

Oppressing one culture and attempting to inflict another, a task attempted for too many years by too many countries including Russia and none have done anything except destroy and kill and maim 

War has never been declaref

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52 minutes ago, Natai Beach said:


Well, this is a quote from someone who served. He was there. I will listen to him. And backed up with video.

 

Footage shot by members of 3 Squadron SAS during the unit’s 2012 rotation through Afghanistan.

It shows the destruction of buildings, motorbikes and the shooting of dogs. 

“We try and say that we’re there to help and the Taliban are bad. But if we go in and we start destroying infrastructure or destroying their private vehicles and burning down their homes it doesn’t really send the right message,” Chapman said.

“They’re going to run straight back to the Taliban, who usually are not doing that.”

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-17/four-corners-sas-allegations-war-crimes/12028522?nw=0

That video doesn't back anything up. It's what they call 'chuntering'.

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33 minutes ago, evadgib said:

That video doesn't back anything up. It's what they call 'chuntering'.

 

The video and the 39 civilians is only the tip of the iceberg.

 

Systematic and selective cleansing of local population was witnessed and reported since 2012.

 

Quote from link:

 

“Since 2001 more than 400 former and serving Australian Defence personnel have taken their own lives.”

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-16/australian-kevin-frost-who-raised-afghanistan-war-crimes-dead/11802068

 

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