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I have been paying 1/2 to 1/3 of normal high season rates. Most of the caddies are friendly/have families and try to be helpful. Anyone who won't play due to caddie fees or cannot afford a 1

The no brainer is optional caddies and value for money yearly membership without additional fees

maybe it's a good thing if some courses go bust then golfers can get together and buy the courses and run them how they want, optional cart, optional caddy, yearly membership, lockers for clubs, more

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30 minutes ago, superal said:

Where I play there is dual pricing on green fees and caddy tipping , works out about half price for the local Thais

That is a new one ... care to say which club and where

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In view of the very low cost of land and labour here, golf is still way overpriced. I can't imagine, what with the price of a round, caddy and cart fee, how much profit the owners were making out of us golfers. Even if they chop their fees right back, offer free carts and optional caddies, I reckon they'll still make a handsome profit. Just not the fabulous riches that they made pre-covid.

One of my biggest disappointments on arrival here thirteen years or so back was finding that I couldn't afford a round of golf on a regular basis, especially as my house backs onto the course. I have to make the half hour drive to the cheaper navy course.

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33 minutes ago, jesimps said:

In view of the very low cost of land and labour here, golf is still way overpriced. I can't imagine, what with the price of a round, caddy and cart fee, how much profit the owners were making out of us golfers. Even if they chop their fees right back, offer free carts and optional caddies, I reckon they'll still make a handsome profit. Just not the fabulous riches that they made pre-covid.

One of my biggest disappointments on arrival here thirteen years or so back was finding that I couldn't afford a round of golf on a regular basis, especially as my house backs onto the course. I have to make the half hour drive to the cheaper navy course.

It's quite possible if they made caddies optional, had yearly membership, no additional green fees, optional cart then they'd make more money as they would be busier. The duff caddies would find alternative work something more suitable, the good ones would potentially make more money

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7 hours ago, LNKDES1 said:

Dress Code? Although I'm always, what I consider, well dressed, I sure don't need the "Fashion Police" telling me I have to wear a collared shirt. Not when I watch the pros on TV playing without one.

Well when those pro.s start feeling the back of there neck and wonder why there skin feels like sandpaper then maybe they might wish they had worn a collar. But this Thailand so....up too yooo.

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8 hours ago, Lacessit said:

It's actually the caddies that are suffering the most. I talk with the caddies, they have seen their income drop by two-thirds.

As I was a caddie myself between the ages of 12 and 18, I always tip over the odds. Perhaps it has not occurred to you people who acquire a reputation for being stingy, wind up with the least competent caddies. The caddie fee is a guaranteed income, and also should cover workplace injury insurance. A tip is not and does not.

IMO those courses that are holding their green fees at promotional levels will do better than those who have jacked up their green fees for a high season that does not exist.

Your talking rubbish...you get what caddie you are given competent or not.....i caddied for just over 10 years i,ve played over a 100 rounds here  and i doubt if i could count 10 what i would call good caddies. I tip 350 baht for caddies who drive the cart and 500 for those that pull a trolley...so don,t tell me i,m stingy....i rake my own bunkers laser my yardages and read my own putts.

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36 minutes ago, keithsimmonds said:

Your talking rubbish...you get what caddie you are given competent or not.....i caddied for just over 10 years i,ve played over a 100 rounds here  and i doubt if i could count 10 what i would call good caddies. I tip 350 baht for caddies who drive the cart and 500 for those that pull a trolley...so don,t tell me i,m stingy....i rake my own bunkers laser my yardages and read my own putts.

Why so hostile? Most of the caddies I get are willing to learn from me. I've had professional caddie training.

I'd agree the tips you are giving are not stingy, but that doesn't mean I can't disagree with you on the subject of the caddie fee. Not everyone tips like you or me. Post-COVID, their income is way down, why would you want to make it less?  Pay 1000 baht for a round, the caddie probably only gets 100. It's the green fees that need to come down to attract more golfers.

I don't need a laser for yardages, and I read my own putts too. I need a caddie for raking bunkers, and picking balls out of the hole, etc. as I have back and hip issues.

When I was a member at a Chiang Mai club, I had a regular caddie. I'd agree you get what you are given on a pay for play basis.

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38 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Why so hostile? Most of the caddies I get are willing to learn from me. I've had professional caddie training.

I'd agree the tips you are giving are not stingy, but that doesn't mean I can't disagree with you on the subject of the caddie fee. Not everyone tips like you or me. Post-COVID, their income is way down, why would you want to make it less?  Pay 1000 baht for a round, the caddie probably only gets 100. It's the green fees that need to come down to attract more golfers.

I don't need a laser for yardages, and I read my own putts too. I need a caddie for raking bunkers, and picking balls out of the hole, etc. as I have back and hip issues.

When I was a member at a Chiang Mai club, I had a regular caddie. I'd agree you get what you are given on a pay for play basis.

My wifes family are knocking there crutch out for less than 300baht a day farming in Chaiyaphum...so yeah i feel that my 350 to 500baht plus there percentage of there caddie fee for 4 hours work is more than generous....especially when the vast majority imo dont deserve it.

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2 minutes ago, keithsimmonds said:

My wifes family are knocking there crutch out for less than 300baht a day farming in Chaiyaphum...so yeah i feel that my 350 to 500baht plus there percentage of there caddie fee for 4 hours work is more than generous....especially when the vast majority imo dont deserve it.

The difference is, the farm employment is permanent, caddying is casual. That 4 hours work might have to tide a caddie over for another 3 or 4 days, until the next golfer comes along. A course that has 100 caddies employed on rotation, that's a lot of waiting around.

I don't disagree farming is hard yakka, I wouldn't do it.

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1 hour ago, keithsimmonds said:

Well when those pro.s start feeling the back of there neck and wonder why there skin feels like sandpaper then maybe they might wish they had worn a collar. But this Thailand so....up too yooo.

So you actually think the courses here give a flying fig if you sunburn your neck? At my home course here in Kanchanaburi, carts are mandatory, so I'm out of the sun 80-85% of the time anyway. Some of the younger bucks prefer to walk, and if my knees allowed it, I would as well. Then I would strongly consider a collared shirt. But then, my usual tee time is zero dark thirty, & I am finished, showered and on my way home by 0930, way ahead of the overhead sun (and clown pants).

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12 hours ago, topt said:

Which courses have raised their prices? Around Pattaya most have pretty much stayed the same in November as per previous months and I am not hearing of increases for December.

Emerald raised by 100 baht,  not much but still an increase for high season. Greenwood we're posting on FBI about high season starting,  haven't seen any increase yet. 

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1 hour ago, LNKDES1 said:

So you actually think the courses here give a flying fig if you sunburn your neck? At my home course here in Kanchanaburi, carts are mandatory, so I'm out of the sun 80-85% of the time anyway. Some of the younger bucks prefer to walk, and if my knees allowed it, I would as well. Then I would strongly consider a collared shirt. But then, my usual tee time is zero dark thirty, & I am finished, showered and on my way home by 0930, way ahead of the overhead sun (and clown pants).

Mate of mine came over from Oz 3 years ago like me he was a guest of a member at Eastern Star (Ban Chang) he wore a round neck T shirt and and looked like he was going to the beach,seeing as both he and i were members of Home Park (Hampton Court Palace) i could n,t believe what he was wearing. At the 1st while waiting to T off a lady came along and made him buy a shirt from the pro shop...and yeah it wasn,t because she was worried about his neck getting burnt...  Standards principles you either have them or you don,t.

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