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I hope it's all elevated.  A fence won't stop the locals from crossing the tracks (hell, they might well sell the fence!) and if they can regularly misjudge the speed of "normal" trains enough to have accidents, the thought of what a noodle cart on these tracks could do is frightening.

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Don't worry, it will be perfectly safe, the technology is Chinese

Exactly what they used to say about the BTS, used to sit around Soi 7 beer bar in the late 90s , all the usual experts telling you how it couldn't be done --and then when it was, telling you how no on

Jesus ,they already have way too many accidents with the current trains travelling at 50 kmph.

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12 hours ago, webfact said:

nearly one billion baht compensation sums discussed

 

This compensation will be paid completely by the taxpayer, of course! Also the overpriced interest rates for the loans from China to build the rail, naturally!

 

All the profits later, however, will be the pocketed by the operator Charoen Pokphand and it's owners, who are together with a handful other families the "owners" of the country. As usual in Thailand, you can trust that they neither carry any risks nor any losses from the project. For them, it's like printing money.

 

The project is a win-win-win for the army generals in the government (they gain more wealth and watches), for the operator CP (they get all the profits later), and for China, which makes money from the interest rate and moreover makes the Thai people vassals by the huge debts accumulated by their corrupt government.

 

That's Thailand in the 21 century.

 

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20 hours ago, webfact said:

compensation for the loss of land, buildings and perennial plants

All these were obtained by those in the know shortly before the plans were made public.  I'll bet lots of perennials have been planted too.

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20 hours ago, webfact said:

It is 220 kilometers long and the top speed of trains will be 250 kmph.

With 10 stations along the route..[ if averaged out is 22 miles between stations]  I'm guessing with the acceleration out of and braking at each station the top speed will hardly ever be reached.

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3 hours ago, hotchilli said:

With 10 stations along the route..[ if averaged out is 22 miles between stations]  I'm guessing with the acceleration out of and braking at each station the top speed will hardly ever be reached.

will it stop at all stations....or just "fly" through.....???

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21 minutes ago, tinca tinca said:

will it stop at all stations....or just "fly" through.....???

I guess it will be the same as most other countries---different times of the day etc. I used to take a workers train to London, only stopped at 4 of the 12 stations, different times  of the day it would service them all . When it gets into Pattaya it will connect with the Monorail that they are starting to build.

Red Line

Dolphin circle (Patthaya Nuea)
Thub Phraya intersection
Chom Thian
Eastern Region National Stadium

Purple Line

Thub Phraya intersection
Nong Prue

Yellow Line

Sri Racha
Pattaya
U-Tapao.

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10 hours ago, hotchilli said:

With 10 stations along the route..[ if averaged out is 22 miles between stations]  I'm guessing with the acceleration out of and braking at each station the top speed will hardly ever be reached.

 

remember, this is just a media release, so sure, the top speed of the specific train model being purchased may be 250 kmh, but nobody said the trains would operate at that speed.

 

just for comparison,  the high-speed rail in hainan hits 250-ish on the straight runs, but on those long runs through sanya and haikou cities, it drops to 80 kmh.

 

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1 hour ago, ChouDoufu said:

remember, this is just a media release, so sure, the top speed of the specific train model being purchased may be 250 kmh, but nobody said the trains would operate at that speed.

I agree, but the impression given is that this is the operating speed, which calculates the departure/arrival times and final destination estimates.

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16 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

I agree, but the impression given is that this is the operating speed, which calculates the departure/arrival times and final destination estimates.

 

it's all going to depend on where the line is placed.  out in the empty countryside, up to 250 kmh, but in populated areas max speed would be around 80 kmh.

 

we've got one spot on our line here with stops about 15 km apart between one small city and a very small town.  takes about 7 minutes between stops, hitting 200 kmh (for a few seconds) zooming over the rice fields and betelnut plantations.

 

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11 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

we've got one spot on our line here with stops about 15 km apart between one small city and a very small town.  takes about 7 minutes between stops, hitting 200 kmh (for a few seconds) zooming over the rice fields and betelnut plantations

Shame they didn't paint it green ^^

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