Popular Post bodga Posted November 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2020 So have had my land now for 8 years, staff were easy to find way back then, generally Burmese, Thais dont want to do this work on the land. Ive noticed in the last 4-5 years more and more fields are being abandoned become overgrown etc, and staff are getting harder to find and are more lazy. It doesnt matter what you pay, it doesnt matter what you give them in extra benefits such as free electric, water , motorbike, house etc etc. Wife has spoken to a few more people round here with farms and they all say the same, no one wants to work on the land, even though many have no jobs now they will not work on the land. It pains me to sell up but it is what it is, Im looking forwards to maybe getting a life back instead of the constant worry of staff leaving at the drop of a hat or just sitting doing very little. So here is the warning for those thinking of getting some land and growing anything, forget it, no one wants to work on the land anymore. 14 2 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post seajae Posted November 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2020 you are spot on, getting workers to do anything on the land is near impossible even when paying them double or more for 6 hours easy work. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.B Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Where in Thailand is this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quake Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 44 minutes ago, bodga said: So have had my land now for 8 years, staff were easy to find way back then, generally Burmese, Thais dont want to do this work on the land. Ive noticed in the last 4-5 years more and more fields are being abandoned become overgrown etc, and staff are getting harder to find and are more lazy. It doesnt matter what you pay, it doesnt matter what you give them in extra benefits such as free electric, water , motorbike, house etc etc. Wife has spoken to a few more people round here with farms and they all say the same, no one wants to work on the land, even though many have no jobs now they will not work on the land. It pains me to sell up but it is what it is, Im looking forwards to maybe getting a life back instead of the constant worry of staff leaving at the drop of a hat or just sitting doing very little. So here is the warning for those thinking of getting some land and growing anything, forget it, no one wants to work on the land anymore. you should able to just grow for yourself to eat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KC 71 Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Blimey ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Scouse123 Posted November 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2020 No. They all want to work in Global or Homepro so they can sit on their asses all day taking selfies and playing Facebook. If they have no work, they are not embarrassed just to beg people and the famous " borrow but get angry if people ask for it back " routine. Just <deleted>, many of whom don't even finish high school. 9 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Chris.B said: Where in Thailand is this? Prachuap Khirikhan, many abandoned fields now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bodga Posted November 21, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2020 52 minutes ago, quake said: you should able to just grow for yourself to eat. Well even just to take care of the garden area they arent interested in, garden is 1 acre 2.5 rai and is low maintenance, everything on sprinklers, Fruit is 12 rai, we may just abandon growing the fruit completely, even when they get offered 40% of any profits they dont want it. The main problem is they just up an leave, no warning often leaving us in a real mess, have to cancel appointments even flights sometimes. Ive had enough of the attitude and lack of work ethic Ill sell get a condo by the sea and have a less stressful life without having to think about staff beacsue no matter what you offer or how kind you are its not appreciated. I let the last lot even use my pick up once every few weeks, then they started using it weekly then daily.........theyre all take take take. 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JWRC Posted November 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2020 The OP is spot on and I raised this in another post quite recently when they were talking about people who had lost their jobs due to Covid and didn't have money to feed themselves. For 20 years I have had a gardener , in the early days usually Thai, in more recent years from Myanmar. I have found that I cannot even get Myanmar now, they don't really want to work. I also had a man to cut feed for my goat herd, usually about 2 hours a day and no-one on his back. Apart from decent wages, free housing, water and electricity I haven't been able to find anyone that can work or indeed wants to work, they all want to get paid however. My beautiful garden is overgrown and I have just sold the herd of 70 goats, I am too old now to do it all myself. So as the OP says if you have dreams of getting a bit of land and having a go at something, think long and hard first and decide if you can see to it all yourself when you can't find anyone to employ, or anyone who can work. 6 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bodga Posted November 21, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2020 Just now, JWRC said: The OP is spot on and I raised this in another post quite recently when they were talking about people who had lost their jobs due to Covid and didn't have money to feed themselves. For 20 years I have had a gardener , in the early days usually Thai, in more recent years from Myanmar. I have found that I cannot even get Myanmar now, they don't really want to work. I also had a man to cut feed for my goat herd, usually about 2 hours a day and no-one on his back. Apart from decent wages, free housing, water and electricity I haven't been able to find anyone that can work or indeed wants to work, they all want to get paid however. My beautiful garden is overgrown and I have just sold the herd of 70 goats, I am too old now to do it all myself. So as the OP says if you have dreams of getting a bit of land and having a go at something, think long and hard first and decide if you can see to it all yourself when you can't find anyone to employ, or anyone who can work. Burmese now all want factory jobs WITH overtime. Its a real shame but this is the modern world and like the industrial revolution in the Uk where they left the fields and went to the factories. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FritsSikkink Posted November 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2020 59 minutes ago, Scouse123 said: No. They all want to work in Global or Homepro so they can sit on their asses all day taking selfies and playing Facebook. If they have no work, they are not embarrassed just to beg people and the famous " borrow but get angry if people ask for it back " routine. Just <deleted>, many of whom don't even finish high school. Many don't finish primary school 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FritsSikkink Posted November 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, bodga said: Burmese now all want factory jobs WITH overtime. Its a real shame but this is the modern world and like the industrial revolution in the Uk where they left the fields and went to the factories. That is a disgrace, wanting to get overtime, they should work till the master says so. (sarcasm for the people who don't get it). They want money in their hand, not a room you picked or be able to use somebodies motorcycle. Edited November 21, 2020 by FritsSikkink 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bodga Posted November 21, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said: Many don't finish primary school Many dont even start it 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quake Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 16 minutes ago, bodga said: Well even just to take care of the garden area they arent interested in, garden is 1 acre 2.5 rai and is low maintenance, everything on sprinklers, Fruit is 12 rai, we may just abandon growing the fruit completely, even when they get offered 40% of any profits they dont want it. The main problem is they just up an leave, no warning often leaving us in a real mess, have to cancel appointments even flights sometimes. Ive had enough of the attitude and lack of work ethic Ill sell get a condo by the sea and have a less stressful life without having to think about staff beacsue no matter what you offer or how kind you are its not appreciated. I let the last lot even use my pick up once every few weeks, then they started using it weekly then daily.........theyre all take take take. that's a shame, i don't blame in that case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bodga Posted November 21, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, JWRC said: The OP is spot on and I raised this in another post quite recently when they were talking about people who had lost their jobs due to Covid and didn't have money to feed themselves. For 20 years I have had a gardener , in the early days usually Thai, in more recent years from Myanmar. I have found that I cannot even get Myanmar now, they don't really want to work. I also had a man to cut feed for my goat herd, usually about 2 hours a day and no-one on his back. Apart from decent wages, free housing, water and electricity I haven't been able to find anyone that can work or indeed wants to work, they all want to get paid however. My beautiful garden is overgrown and I have just sold the herd of 70 goats, I am too old now to do it all myself. So as the OP says if you have dreams of getting a bit of land and having a go at something, think long and hard first and decide if you can see to it all yourself when you can't find anyone to employ, or anyone who can work. Whats decent wages? 8 years ago it was 250 a day, now its 500 + benefits minimum, they have no outgoings living here can even grow there own food but dont instead they go out and buy it and fancy drinks with ice etc, and many even struggle on that want paying daily in some cases, just bad management, a lad who worked for us sometime ago is the only one who didnt want money each day and had savings. Currently paying one lad Burmese 13k going up to 15 k if he stays in the next few months, started at 12k inc house motorbike, electric water, fish, rice etc 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kwasaki Posted November 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2020 Most our farm work and apartment maintenance is done by women,. There's only two guys we can get to do labour work on the farm as long as they are not drunk as a sack. They have signed up to the 800 baht a month they from the govt as not able to work. That gets em drunk then when that's spent they will ask about to do some labour work. That's how it looks to me, many men don't do anything the wife provides. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 Just now, Kwasaki said: Most our farm work and apartment maintenance is done by women,. There's only two guys we can get to do labour work on the farm as long as they are not drunk as a sack. They have signed up to the 800 baht a month they from the govt as not able to work. That gets em drunk then when that's spent they will ask about to do some labour work. That's how it looks to me, many men don't do anything the wife provides. Id employ women if I could find any, cant understand why no one wants a long term job with a decent employer and can more or less please themselves whats done as long as it gets done.,no future no hope for them it seems no savings nothing in most cases............often arrive with just a few clothes and a battered old bike. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangkokReady Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, bodga said: Its a real shame but this is the modern world and like the industrial revolution in the Uk where they left the fields and went to the factories. It's fine to wish for that, but you can't just strain and wish then develop magically into a different stage of economic development. Thailand are still very much at the bottom of the ladder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CorpusChristie Posted November 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, bodga said: Id employ women if I could find any, cant understand why no one wants a long term job with a decent employer and can more or less please themselves whats done as long as it gets done.,no future no hope for them it seems no savings nothing in most cases............often arrive with just a few clothes and a battered old bike. Some Thais only think about the present , not the future or the past, its what they are taught in Buddhism . If they have got 500 Baht in their pocket, they are rich and theres no need to work 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said: Some Thais only think about the present , not the future or the past, its what they are taught in Buddhism . If they have got 500 Baht in their pocket, they are rich and theres no need to work yep thats just about it for many of them. Tomorrow isnt there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 There is no doubt that it has got more difficult to find casual labor despite the supposed economic squeeze and proliferation of unemployed. In fact this year it has been near impossible. That includes those who in past years would have been willing. Those that have begun leaving land un-utilized can be understood to a degree. Small holdings are now largely unprofitable even at subsistence level because apart from incurred costs drought has so often destroyed the attempt plus populist Government subsidies and schemes paid to individuals sufficiently provide for a family collective in many instances negating need for any initiative. Banks are likely to be overflowing with land deeds accepted for loans never serviced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 38 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said: That is a disgrace, wanting to get overtime, they should work till the master says so. (sarcasm for the people who don't get it). They want money in their hand, not a room you picked or be able to use somebodies motorcycle. They want money but not the work on the land even when they have no job. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yellowtail Posted November 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2020 Yes, it's shocking that people do not want to work hard outside in the hot sun when they can earn the same money somewhere else. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Dumbastheycome said: There is no doubt that it has got more difficult to find casual labor despite the supposed economic squeeze and proliferation of unemployed. In fact this year it has been near impossible. That includes those who in past years would have been willing. Those that have begun leaving land un-utilized can be understood to a degree. Small holdings are now largely unprofitable even at subsistence level because apart from incurred costs drought has so often destroyed the attempt plus populist Government subsidies and schemes paid to individuals sufficiently provide for a family collective in many instances negating need for any initiative. Banks are likely to be overflowing with land deeds accepted for loans never serviced. also there is the falling prices of almost every fruit and rubber. With the odd blip for Durian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 Just now, Yellowtail said: Yes, it's shocking that people do not want to work hard outside in the hot sun when they can earn the same money somewhere else. But thats it.............now they cant many are out of work and would rather do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Yellowtail said: work hard its often NOT hard but for me its boring/repetitive however many of them dont seem bothered by that type of work, not only that we tell them they can start early say 6-7 and finish at 11 then restart at 3 avoiding the main hot time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, bodga said: They want money but not the work on the land even when they have no job. When people can get money without working, why would they work? The days of feeling shame for taking public assistance are long gone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: When people can get money without working, why would they work? The days of feeling shame for taking public assistance are long gone. yeah that 800 baht is really going to sort them, they have no pride in themselves and ability to support themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 minute ago, bodga said: its often NOT hard but for me its boring/repetitive however many of them dont seem bothered by that type of work, not only that we tell them they can start early say 6-7 and finish at 11 then restart at 3 avoiding the main hot time. Standing in the sun is pretty unpleasant. Factory work generally pays better and is more pleasant. What's minimum wage now, 330? That's 10K a month plus allowances, any overtime and bonuses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodga Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Standing in the sun is pretty unpleasant. Factory work generally pays better and is more pleasant. What's minimum wage now, 330? That's 10K a month plus allowances, any overtime and bonuses. Im paying 500 a day and thats going up to over 600 a day if the current worker stays , and the work does not involve standing in the sun EVERY day, apart from maybe monthly tending to the crop for 3 days most of the time its watering trees which involves opening a tap and standing there for 4 minutes whilst the sprinklers do their job, under the trees there's no sun. Edited November 21, 2020 by bodga 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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