The sad state of Thai labour in the countryside

[sateuk 46]

1 hour ago, bodga said:

Forward their names and numbers to me there is a  vacancy December the 1st you can PM me .............IM NOT  joking......just incase  anyone misconstrues  this as some seem to have with my charging them rent of 14  k on a bamboo  house and 500 baht for a litre of water

Where are you my nephew is 24 wants a job hes a good worker im not joking either

[rumak 7,314]

On 11/21/2020 at 7:32 PM, hotchilli said:

Sorry to hear that, a sign of the times.

Don't drive yourself into the ground, sell up if you must to keep your sanity, buy a nice place in a great location and thank yourself for being able to do so.

Watch the sunrise/sunset over a beach somewhere quiet... 

 

that's about right.   for any of us that have enough money to get by it just isn't worth the stress as one gets older.    I certainly will never live in a condo..... but i have downsized to where i have things to take care of but seldom need to hire someone.  

I have a few guys who i can count on ( electrician, concrete guy )  when needed (rarely).

Pay them well...... by the job .     Good day labor is a thing of the past

[bodga 7,217]

8 hours ago, 473geo said:

Just making a point, I recall building sites when Phuket first started to grow, workers lived in corrugated tin huts made with whatever was available, cooked on fires.

Working life for many Thai is about cash in hand, to spend as they wish, not 'benefits'

They know the salary before they start, if  its  not  enough for them they shouldnt  apply, we  also give increases when they start  at 3 and 6  months then yearly. I  know what they  can live in but i try not to treat them as pieces of <deleted> even though thats how  many treat us.

[473geo 4,912]

57 minutes ago, bodga said:

They know the salary before they start, if  its  not  enough for them they shouldnt  apply, we  also give increases when they start  at 3 and 6  months then yearly. I  know what they  can live in but i try not to treat them as pieces of <deleted> even though thats how  many treat us.

You miss the point you pay the wage, they decide how they live, and what they do with the salary.

I bought my daughter an expensive shirt, 'expensive' she said,  yep says I but a very good shirt last a long time. One shirt I cannot wear same every time she says, better buy 3 cheap shirt can wear different every day

 

That is how I learnt not to spend money for my family or workers, better they spend it their way

 

[bodga 7,217]

6 hours ago, 473geo said:

You miss the point you pay the wage, they decide how they live, and what they do with the salary.

I dont  miss  it  at  all, the house is  free, electric free, water free,  fish free,  motorbike free,the salary they can do what they want with, they never  manage to save any, if they want to  live offsite thats fine by me, they know the salary so up to them.

[bodga 7,217]

14 hours ago, sateuk said:

Where are you my nephew is 24 wants a job hes a good worker im not joking either

sent  you a  message, if  you cant read it  let me know

[OOTAI 100]

Having just read through this whole thread there are some interesting comments and opinions.

I don't have anything to do with anyone who does work for us I leave it for the wife to handle. If it was up to me I would be run out of town very quickly for being too bossy and demanding that they do some work for their pay.

 

My wife (Thai) often got really angry about her "lazy" workers so I suggested to her that instead of paying an hourly or daily rate she should just pay  a fixed amount for a set job, that way they could do it in one day or 7 days and it didn't matter.

In other words it was "up to them" how hard they worked.

 

She has quite  a bit of land and she has all her own equipment to farm it. She does so by working with a local guy here who is a very hard worker.  Together they share any profits they make from her and his land. He operates all our equipment and maintains it.

 

He has often complained to my wife about how lazy the people are that periodically come and work for her.  She told me the other day that he had said, "aren't they ashamed to be doing so little when they see me out there working hard and me being much older than them".

 

So the frustration with the efforts of some Thai labour is not only felt by "Farangs" it is also seen by Thai's themselves.

 

It is my opinion that rural Thai family culture is very socialist in almost every way. It is also my opinion that in a true Socialist culture everyone regresses to the lowest possible energy level.  Why would you do more work than anyone else just to receive the same share of the spoils as the laziest one?

[IsaanAussie 1,684]

For those who would like to know more on the financial side of rice farming, the link below was produced a few years ago and provides a guide. It is a complex picture which should be understood in context of this topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPoacysvVQI 

[Yellowtail 1,118]

1 hour ago, IsaanAussie said:

For those who would like to know more on the financial side of rice farming, the link below was produced a few years ago and provides a guide. It is a complex picture which should be understood in context of this topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPoacysvVQI 

 

One really should not have anything to do with the other. What you have to pay your staff does not have any direct effect on what you are able to sell your product for.

[473geo 4,912]

5 hours ago, bodga said:

I dont  miss  it  at  all, the house is  free, electric free, water free,  fish free,  motorbike free,the salary they can do what they want with, they never  manage to save any, if they want to  live offsite thats fine by me, they know the salary so up to them.

My son gets paid 70 -100 baht an hour to help tend the cattle, negotiable with his mother can go play football whenever he wants, even allowed a time off for school, receives all the benefits you mention above plus an annual 'bonus' on his birthday

[IsaanAussie 1,684]

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

 

One really should not have anything to do with the other. What you have to pay your staff does not have any direct effect on what you are able to sell your product for.

We are talking about farming labor in small villages, ain't we? What is paid as wages to other members of the village is effected by the going rate of rice. In the case of family members often there is little, even no cash involved. 

[bodga 7,217]

9 hours ago, OOTAI said:

Together they share any profits

already  told  workers here they can have a percentage of  profits, 40%

[bodga 7,217]

9 hours ago, OOTAI said:

So the frustration with the efforts of some Thai labour is not only felt by "Farangs" it is also seen by Thai's themselves.

several friends we know round here say the same, Thais are lazy  now, their words.

[IsaanAussie 1,684]

Just now, bodga said:

already  told  workers here they can have a percentage of  profits, 40%

Really? And you think they believed you? 5555555555555

When was the last time the "overdue" harvester or tractor turned when promised? 

Guys it doesn't work that way, never has.

The exception used to be rubber tappers. The plantation owner supplied all materials and the tappers cared for the trees and land, spread fertiliser and harvested the rubber. Sales income was split on a percentage basis. It worked when prices were high and a good income was to be had. Now, same as rice hard to find people prepared to work for nothing.

Edited November 24, 2020 by IsaanAussie
Added comment on rubber tappers

[Yellowtail 1,118]

59 minutes ago, IsaanAussie said:

Really? And you think they believed you? 5555555555555

When was the last time the "overdue" harvester or tractor turned when promised? 

Guys it doesn't work that way, never has.

The exception used to be rubber tappers. The plantation owner supplied all materials and the tappers cared for the trees and land, spread fertiliser and harvested the rubber. Sales income was split on a percentage basis. It worked when prices were high and a good income was to be had. Now, same as rice hard to find people prepared to work for nothing.

 

So which is it? Here you claim it doesn't work that way and a couple post back you implied it did.

 

If the bottom falls out of the rice market (subsidies aside) the rice rots in the field as no one can afford to pay people to harvest it. If the market price double or triples, the worker is still paid only whatever the minimum is the get them to work. The market price directly impacts the farmers margin, but it only indirectly impacts the workers compensation.