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Thai temple: Beware the gold leaf/flower selling mafia who force you to buy!


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6 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

My vote is that if you buy food for monks and they have to eat it in front of you

 

Don't they only eat before sunrise and after sunset? 

 

 

As well as abstaining from cigarettes, alcohol, using money or having any sex, of course. 

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13 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

I suppose some would say that it is the giving of the offering that matters and better than just putting cash in a box, also cuts down on waste of flowers and the other offerings.

Yes.  The merit is made by giving the thing.  It doesn't really matter if they are being reused or not.

 

It's like with the releasing the birds.  People think it is doing a good thing because the birds are being released, but the birds would never have been caught and put in a cage if it weren't for people wanting to release them and the birds suffer more form being in the cage.  The net suffering of the birds is more than if they were never caught in the first place and the people that pay to release them cause that suffering.  So anyone who pays to release the birds is actually doing more harm than good and must surely be accruing negative karma.  But they don't see it that way.

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1 hour ago, BangkokReady said:

Yes.  The merit is made by giving the thing.  It doesn't really matter if they are being reused or not.

 

It's like with the releasing the birds.  People think it is doing a good thing because the birds are being released, but the birds would never have been caught and put in a cage if it weren't for people wanting to release them and the birds suffer more form being in the cage.  The net suffering of the birds is more than if they were never caught in the first place and the people that pay to release them cause that suffering.  So anyone who pays to release the birds is actually doing more harm than good and must surely be accruing negative karma.  But they don't see it that way.

I'm totally with you. This practice is cruel and makes no "merit making" sense.

A long time ago, in my early days in BKK I was visiting one of those big BKK temples and I tried to convey as best as I could my dislike about this cruelly idiotic "merit making" practice to a well-dressed Thai lady who had just bought the "release" of a cage of these unfortunate creatures. The blank look she gave me! I'd leave the matter alone these days as indeed those temple bird catchers could be nasty if you interfere with their activity.

I once read that these birds are fed marijuana seeds so that after their brief freedom flight they'll come down to earth dizzy and be easily harvested again.

 

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14 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Seems strange to our Western minds

Not really.

In Lourdes/France, offered candles are taking away about something like 2-3 minutes, depending how crowdy it is.

They are remelted and put for sale.

No believer/follower seems to object to this practice.

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2 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

Yes.  The merit is made by giving the thing.  It doesn't really matter if they are being reused or not.

 

It's like with the releasing the birds.  People think it is doing a good thing because the birds are being released, but the birds would never have been caught and put in a cage if it weren't for people wanting to release them and the birds suffer more form being in the cage.  The net suffering of the birds is more than if they were never caught in the first place and the people that pay to release them cause that suffering.  So anyone who pays to release the birds is actually doing more harm than good and must surely be accruing negative karma.  But they don't see it that way.

You are completely right. Better to take this money and buy for instance a grilled chicken. It can't fly away and has a good taste. How was its life before my stomach? It was even killed for me. Bad karma? Forget it. Where is the mustard?

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3 hours ago, Oldie said:

Better to take this money and buy for instance a grilled chicken.

I know you're joking, but there is actually probably less suffering involved in the grilled chicken, if it is killed quickly and humanely.

 

And if you buy one for you and one for the monk, baby, you've got some merit going!

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