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3 hours ago, Loiner said:

They are negotiating the issue, that's why they are still back at talks again now after Boris sent Barnier home a few weeks ago. The EU idea of negotiation is for the UK to capitulate on these issues and accept the EU demands. Well that's not happening. 

 

When and where have the EU negotiators said that the UK should "capitulate on these issues and accept the EU demands?"

 

3 hours ago, Loiner said:

Why does the EU not concede that the UK is no longer a member and does not have to give in to the EU demands. That would be fair.

Why don't you accept the fact that we are no longer a member and so cannot have all the benefits of membership which we used to enjoy?

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9 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Time to walk away Boris. You can't negotiate with an organization that makes completely unrealistic demands and then refuses to compromise on any of them.

 

A mutually beneficial FTA would have been nice, but that would have required both sides around the table to act in good faith and only the UK has done so.

Time to walk away Boris Michel. You can't negotiate with an organization that makes completely unrealistic demands and then refuses to compromise on any of them.

 

A mutually beneficial FTA would have been nice, but that would have required both sides around the table to act in good faith and only the UK has done so.

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3 hours ago, Loiner said:

Fair would be to accept that different nations make and apply their own rules and legislation in their own lands.

Something which every EU member can and does do; something which we could and did do while we were a member.

 

3 hours ago, Loiner said:

It is unfair for the EU to demand that another sovereign nation should accept EU rules and governance in the other nation.

Where is the EU demanding that?

 

Yes, the EU want a level playing field and a means for resolving disputes. That is standard practice in all international trade agreements and we would be fools not to agree to such.

 

Unless you'd like EU firms to be heavily subsidised by their governments so they could unfairly undercut British firms in the UK market! Is that what you want?

 

3 hours ago, Loiner said:

We left the EU and will not be part of your one market anymore, therefore are free to not accept any rules from the EU. That's fair.

True, but if we want the trade agreement with them which we need then we have to negotiate and agree the rules, conditions and dispute resolution mechanism which will govern that agreement.

 

Just as every country does when agreeing a trade agreement with another. 

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4 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

A mutually beneficial FTA would have been nice, but that would have required both sides around the table to act in good faith and only the UK has done so.

 In what way has the EU not acted in good faith?

 

Threatening to renege on the WA perhaps? Oh, hang on; that's Boris!

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3 hours ago, Bruntoid said:

The U.K. motor industry tonight warned it would take a 55 BILLION pound hit over next 5 years if forced to resort to WTO rules.  Result !!!
 

Looking forward to our Brexit economists explaining that one away .......????

While this thread is obsessing about fish, (with English fishing licenses already sold anyway) there are mounting rumors Nissan will close Sunderland

(and this is from the Torygraph, a brexiter newspaper) 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/11/24/nissan-dismisses-sunderland-plant-closure-rumours/

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6,000 staff and tens of thousands more in the supply chain

 

In other words there are bigger fish to fry ????

... 

 

And EU money is getting back to the EU

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN28421B

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Brussels has said that EU investors should use a platform inside the bloc to trade shares denominated in euros, thereby splitting markets and forcing major players like Goldman to have a foot in both camps.

 

Three pan-European share trading platforms in London - CBOE, London Stock Exchange’s Turquoise, and Aquis Exchange - have already obtained regulatory approvals for EU hubs.

 

Turquoise has said that without the EU agreeing to full two-way market access by Nov. 30, it will start up its new Dutch hub.

 

Also on Tuesday, British real estate investment trust Segro listed its shares in Paris as UK companies look to move assets and operations over to mainland Europe as Brexit looms.

 

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5 hours ago, candide said:

Pro-Brexit economists are ultra-liberal economists. They will probably explain that there are: too much tax, too much regulation protecting workers, too high wages, too much social services, etc... and that all will solved after Brexit as a truly liberal economic regime will be implemented in UK.

https://www.economistsforfreetrade.com

 

This is precisely what Brexit about.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This is precisely what Brexit about.

 

 

But even the man that every liberal lefty likes to model themselves on Jeremy Corbyn has said that the EU is damaging workers rights, surely you believe him Chomper?

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Here is another correlation.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/five-former-pms-oppose-move-to-cut-foreign-aid-grgblkq2t

 

5 clowns who support Brexit (supporting their own interest) and also supports that the UK sends ridiculous amounts of money overseas, often to countries who don't need it.

 

Can you see a pattern!

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4 hours ago, Bruntoid said:

Right so according to you the hauliers haven’t a clue about their own industry, the bankers haven’t a clue about their own industry, the financial journalists haven’t a clue about their own industry, and 99.9% of the worlds economists haven’t got a clue about their own industry but ........

 

Loiner from Thai Visa Forum who takes his guidance from The Sun, has got it sussed ? 

 

Tee Hee ! 

Can't see any haulier quotes in your posts, but you could have invented some anti-brexit trucking tales I missed. Anybody in the financial industry is not to be believed in anything they say about Brexit. They knew nothing about the Financial Crisis of 2007 or the Tom Yum Gung Crisis of 1997, so generally are just full of their own BS and love a disaster forecast. Pity they can never get them right.
If you prefer to take your anti-brexit propaganda and dose of doom & gloom from a paper other than the Sun, feel free to do so. It won't stop Brexit though.

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21 hours ago, evadgib said:

 

Interesting read; especially the complicated steps UK fishers will in future have to go through in order to continue exporting to or landing their catch in the EU.

 

Of course, tariffs, if any, have still to be determined.

 

19 hours ago, evadgib said:

Not unexpected; inevitable, really, as since Brexit our waters are no longer part of the EU's EEZ.

 

It mainly incorporates the CFP into UK law so it covers what is now the independent UK EEZ. With, as it says, going further than the CFP on some matters.

 

Interesting note in the Further Information

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Foreign boats will be required a licence to fish in UK waters and will have to follow the UK’s rules

 

No mention of whether or not the licences sold to foreign fleet owners by UK feet owners in the 1980s and so already held by foreign boats will count for this.

 

No mention of whether or not UK licence owners will this time be prevented from selling their licences to foreign fleet owners.

 

Nor any mention of what will happen, if anything, to the many  Dutch, Spanish, or Icelandic-owned “flagships”, so called because they sail under a British flag.

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On 11/25/2020 at 7:42 AM, vogie said:

But even the man that every liberal lefty likes to model themselves on Jeremy Corbyn has said that the EU is damaging workers rights, surely you believe him Chomper?

Actually not. While he opposes free movement of people, he actually supports the EU's stand on workers' rights.

"Asked by Andrew Marr if he had sympathy with Eurosceptics - having voted against previous EU treaties such as Maastricht - Corbyn clarified his stance on the EU. He was against a “deregulated free market across Europe”, he said, but supported the “social” aspects of the EU, such as workers’ rights."

Jeremy Corbyn: “wholesale” EU immigration has destroyed conditions for British workers (newstatesman.com)

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