Bad Medical Students’ call for reform in hospitals

[webfact 78,276]

Bad Medical Students’ call for reform in hospitals

By THE NATION

 

 

Calls for education reform spread to the world of medicine on Monday, when medical students and doctors turned “#BadMedicalStudent” (#นักเรียนแพทย์เลว) into a top-trending hashtag.

 

The phenomenon followed a Facebook post on Sunday by Dr Manoch Chockjamsai, a lecturer at Chiang Mai University’s Faculty of Medicine. “I want to hear the voice of ‘bad medical students’, saying what the faculty does not want to hear,” stated Dr Manoch, in a post plainly inspired by the “Bad Student” group’s call for education reform.

 

By Monday, Manoch’s post had been shared more than 4,100 times and attracted over 700 comments. Most complained of authoritarianism under the rigid staff hierarchy in hospitals. Another frequent complaint was the amount of overtime that doctors and trainee medics must work.

 

Manoch’s post came a day after Bad Student supporters rallied in Bangkok to demand changes to the education system – their contribution to the nationwide pro-democracy movement.

 

Netizens proposed that others could expose rottenness in their own professions by posting under hashtags like “#bad teacher” or “#bad civil servant”.

 

Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30398457

 

-- © Copyright The Nation Thailand 2020-11-24

 

- Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you

- Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates

[bodga 7,216]

yes  , go go go go..............not  gogo, thats something else

[bodga 7,216]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

“#bad teacher” or “#bad civil servant”.

"#bad govt".............it  could be   VERY  long  list

[sammieuk1 20,026]

Authoritarianism under the rigid staff hierarchy also know as Thainess 

[lockyv7 291]

Or bad gogo dancer, come to daddy you bad bad girl  

[Destiny1990 7,295]

Bad triple pricing

[quake 1,115]

get on with it the training was free from the state, i think ?

 

[yellowboat 16,075]

Interesting:  This cannot be the fault of, I can do no wrong, cha cha.   A military government mixed with unaccountably,  non debate is not to blame for an "authoritarianism under the rigid staff hierarchy in hospitals."   These people are mistaken.

 

Gosh this bad student movement may be good for the country but bad for army and the elites.  Guessing the families that run Thailand may want the generalissimo to retire if this keeps up.   He is the perfect escape goat now for those who wish to remain accountable .

[lujanit 2,810]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Most complained of authoritarianism under the rigid staff hierarchy in hospitals. Another frequent complaint was the amount of overtime that doctors and trainee medics must work.

This is true of a lot of countries.  In Australia there has been several suicides by young doctors working in hospitals.  Recently a young female doctor reported to the press that her crazy long work hours was the reason she was quitting.

[hotchilli 16,372]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Most complained of authoritarianism under the rigid staff hierarchy in hospitals.

As witnessed in most facilities... dinosaurs rule and obey your elders.

[Susco 5,454]

23 minutes ago, lujanit said:

This is true of a lot of countries.  In Australia there has been several suicides by young doctors working in hospitals.  Recently a young female doctor reported to the press that her crazy long work hours was the reason she was quitting.

 

I don't thing that applies to Thai hospitals.

 

Recently I was in need of seeing a urologist, so I called the nearby government hospital to inquire, and was told they had one Monday to Friday from 9am to midday.

 

So on Monday I went and was told I needed an appointment, and was told the next available was 7 weeks in the future.

 

When I objected that this was ridiculous, I was given one for next Friday.

 

I was there at 8.30am, a doctor who supposed to work from 9am till midday, arrived at 10am and left at 11.30am

 

Waiting room was empty by the time he left.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 24, 2020 by Susco

[Baerboxer 34,982]

1 hour ago, yellowboat said:

Interesting:  This cannot be the fault of, I can do no wrong, cha cha.   A military government mixed with unaccountably,  non debate is not to blame for an "authoritarianism under the rigid staff hierarchy in hospitals."   These people are mistaken.

 

Gosh this bad student movement may be good for the country but bad for army and the elites.  Guessing the families that run Thailand may want the generalissimo to retire if this keeps up.   He is the perfect escape goat now for those who wish to remain accountable .

 

Nice try but total nonsense. 

 

The current government, whilst doing nothing to improve or change these things, isn't responsible for their implementation. 

 

How many years were the Shins in power in total? What changes, reforms or interest did they show in this? Zero, too busy lining their own pockets.

 

Let's see if these brave young people want real change and not get suckered by just changing the faces back to the Shin team. To secure the changes they want, they need all the old dinosaurs getting replaced and not by younger ones in their control. No more puppets.

[Baerboxer 34,982]

1 hour ago, Susco said:

 

I don't thing that applies to Thai hospitals.

 

Recently I was in need of seeing a urologist, so I called the nearby government hospital to inquire, and was told they had one Monday to Friday from 9am to midday.

 

So on Monday I went and was told I needed an appointment, and was told the next available was 7 weeks in the future.

 

When I objected that this was ridiculous, I was given one for next Friday.

 

I was there at 8.30am, a doctor who supposed to work from 9am till midday, arrived at 10am and left at 11.30am

 

Waiting room was empty by the time he left.

 

 

 

 

 

That's a qualified experienced doctor NOT a medical student. Here doctors often seem to work at several hospitals holding clinics on various days and times. People can see the doctor at which hospital/clinic is convenient.

 

My daughter wants to be a doctor and two doctors are advising her. Both recommend medical schools with overseas placements. One was very candied about the teaching regimes in Thai medical schools being too authoritarian and formal. 

 

Medical students in the UK are worked hard, very hard. I know from friends' experiences. As are junior doctors. But one of my doctor friends here tells me the Thai system is much much worse, and unnecessarily so. 

 

If you want a very good urologist recommendation, PM me.

 

[BangkokReady 1,313]

#badeverything 

 

Is everyone in every sphere of society saying they want reform really likely to actually lead to reform?  Doesn't it get to the point where there are many things that you simply cannot change without years of hard work, campaigning and offering alternatives?

 

Do these people think that they only need to make a hashtag and the work will do itself?

 

Really hoping Thailand doesn't follow the Western trend of allowing children to dictate everything simply because "they are the future".

[yellowboat 16,075]

6 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

#badeverything 

 

Is everyone in every sphere of society saying they want reform really likely to actually lead to reform?  Doesn't it get to the point where there are many things that you simply cannot change without years of hard work, campaigning and offering alternatives?

 

Do these people think that they only need to make a hashtag and the work will do itself?

 

Really hoping Thailand doesn't follow the Western trend of allowing children to dictate everything simply because "they are the future".

Why would be compare two groups that have nothing to do with each other?   Thai young people want what American youngsters are eager to ignore or get rid of.   Why is it some on this forum have to compare Thailand to the west when there are excellent, home grown democracies in Asia for the sake of reference?

 

What the goons in green are worried about is a sunflower movement:

https://carnegieendowment.org/2018/08/02/activist-legacy-of-taiwan-s-sunflower-movement-pub-76966

This changed Taiwan.   The army does not want change.