Thailand praised for Covid response - quick tourism recovery expected

[The Now Factor]

1 hour ago, Misterwhisper said:

John Brown???

I thought he was hanged in 1859...

Reminds me of a quote by American President George Wabbit Bush after hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans "You're doing a heluva job Brownie" 

[VBF]

4 hours ago, sandyf said:

A distorted point of view, certainly as far as the UK is concerned. The majority of those in "desperate financial straits" were probably never in a position to travel anyway. Those that continued to work throughout the year and pensioners, which account for about 20% of the population, have probably watched their bank balance inflate during the crisis.

When travel does start to move again, every chance the preference will be for short haul with long haul taking that bit longer.

As far as Agoda is concerned, we use the We Travel Together quite regularly and and have found in many cases our choices to be fully booked. 

Well said. My bank balance since i came back to UK from Thailand in March is looking quite healthy - why? Because i'm  one of  "Those that continued to work throughout the year and pensioners, which account for about 20% of the population, have probably watched their bank balance inflate during the crisis."

 

Not bragging and am very sorry for those who have seen their fiances destroyed but just emphasising that not everyone will be unable to travel for the foreseeable future.

 

And to the poster that said "air travel will take a long time to resume"....maybe not quite as long as you fear.

Might I point you at this site https://simpleflying.com/

It's very interesting to watch the progress being made by the air travel industry seemingly against all odds.

[Miami007]

6 hours ago, Kaopad999 said:

Thailand most certainly top 5 in the world for Covid response. 
It will be interesting to know the final winner once Covid has finished. 

I didn't know it was a competition. 

But Vietnam, laos, Cambodia, Tanzania, Taiwan  all have lower total numbers and lower per million residents.

That removes  Thailand from Top 5 .

What has Thailand done aside from keeping open to Chinese in January, February and then closing to all? Internal restrictions like Europe just lower testing of the domestic population 

[Miami007]

Domestic tourism in Thailand is at 50% of normal. No way close to making up for the loss of international business. 

International lost 85% this year, now less than domestic 

 

There simply is not enough purchasing power in the country. 

Overall, 800 billion baht in tourism revenue instead of nearly 4000 billion.

The world is not waiting for Thailand to open borders and everyone will return.  Business must be earned

[sandhurstmolonski]

10 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand praised for Covid response - quick tourism recovery expected

 

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John Brown of online booking platform Agoda predicted that Asia would show the way in tourism recovery after the pandemic, reported Thai media RYT 9.

 

Speaking on CNBC Mr Brown said that signs were that both Thailand and Taiwan would lead the way in Asia where recovery is likely to be far quicker than in the west.

 

He singled out Thailand for praise in dealing with the pandemic and said that both Thailand and Taiwan's domestic tourism market was getting going again.

 

Vietnam's domestic tourism was also doing well. 

 

He said the world was looking towards Asia.

 

RYT based their comments on a report by Infoquest (IQ).

 

Source: RYT 9

 

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Thailand's responce has been realistic , unlike many other countries , NO pointless testing trying to catch out asymptomatic or the like . But this whole Saga is mostly very very little . Hence close the borders ( bcoz they had to be )  , but seriously , don't kid yourself that it somehow wasn't here , or wasn't spread here , plenty of Individuals would have , a literal plethora .

You need to live with this thing ,not pretend you can close it out , a virus that 38.5 % , just can't get anyhow .

So , bring on this vaccine , can't do anything about that , and just get the dam place open as quickly as humanly possible , for vax certified indivuals .

But don't kid yourself about results here we still have " bad flu and colds " unlike others .

The responce was great , but it was great because of LOGIC , Thai immune systems , you need exposure , you need an immune , that's what's happened .

Look at Malaysia , they are lining up for pointless testing , Crazy , and nearly zero cases in Cambodia ..hmmmmm , I don't think that's how it worked .

Get amougst it and enjoy , life is to be lived . Wish my home Country had just followed Thai ..perfect .

[Miami007]

3 hours ago, rayw said:

 

I must add to your coments that if we hopefully get the Russian and/or Chinese both well tested and very very promising vaccines here in Thailand they  will be supplied at cost as a duty of care rather than a duty of corporate greed. So will be affordable to most ordinary Ex Pats here who are far from well off as well as less of a drain on the Thai public resources too.  I would not personally  trust or take any vaccine produced by western big pharma who do so solely for huge quick profits, but agree we must all have a choice  as to which vaccine we are prepared to have or indeed for some choose not have one at all.  That the Russian and Chinese tested and effective vaccines, which are virtually available about now, are not being allowed into the UK is a stupid, irresponsible and childish anti Russia/Chinese deplorable policy by a bad UK Government who are trying to protect the big corporate western pharma profits rather than make you and I their rightful priority.  

 

I do though very much trust the Russian and Chinese vaccines produced, as usual in those nations, purely as a duty of care to the people and to meet urgent responsible public health needs. They also use tried and test traditional vaccine production methods not the risky unknown long term effects experimental DNA system being developed by western big pharma and which really need probably a few years to test the new technology, rather than rushing it out for a quick big profitable return as big corporate pharma always do. We should all be of course fully aware that their CEOs and shareholders are who matter to them not the well being of you and I. 

 

Personally as a 75 year old retiree I want the Russian Sputnik 5 vaccine as soon as possible now it has completed the last stage three certification testing and has shown one of the highest success rates with I think a 94% effectiveness and with a two year protection lifespan.  What's not to like?  I believe the Chinese have three similar developed vaccine candidates too whcih are shortly also going to be available and supplied at cost.  

 

IMHO all pharma and healthcare worldwide should never be run by modern day private usually corrupt corporates but exclusively by state run controlled enterprises and run efficiently for the people, by the people and fully accountable to the people.  Yes in true and sensible democratic Socialist ways. Much like the way the NHS in the UK used to be run fully by the state pre that awful Thatcher woman, and since then has steadily been privatised underhandedly and destroyed by successive right wing non Socialist Governments (incluidng the Blair/Brown pink Tory new Labour Governments of '97 to '10 ) who put corporate profits before a responsible duty of care to the people.

How do you know that Sputnik works 2 years? It hasn't been around for 6 months...

If it worked that great, why does Russia still have 20,000 cases yesterday?

You are aware that in the history of mankind, they found a total of zero effective vaccines against the many Corona viruses that existed before this one.

Now we found at least 5 that work more than 90% in less than 1 year?

Sure...

But as long as it stops the paranoia 

[daejung]

11 hours ago, webfact said:

He singled out Thailand for praise in dealing with the pandemic and said that both Thailand and Taiwan's domestic tourism market was getting going again.

If they keep quarantine, insurance and COE, no way !

[Jiggo]

Is this guy John Brown  that's an unusual name, back to the point, been swapping spit with Aunutin. 

[phantomfiddler]

Yes, it looks like the whole world looks to Thailand so that they will know what to do next ????

[kiwikeith]

2 hours ago, Miami007 said:

How do you know that Sputnik works 2 years? It hasn't been around for 6 months...

If it worked that great, why does Russia still have 20,000 cases yesterday?

You are aware that in the history of mankind, they found a total of zero effective vaccines against the many Corona viruses that existed before this one.

Now we found at least 5 that work more than 90% in less than 1 year?

Sure...

But as long as it stops the paranoia 

Read today's BK post, China has been vaccinating its military and essential overseas staff, in one instance 10 developed C19 and 18 did not the 10 who got covid were not vaccinated. 

China says they have vaccinated 1000000 successfully with little side effects. 

China has offered Thailand priority for the Sino vaccine. 

Other news Qantas is touting that all international flight passengers will not be able to board without a covid 19 certificate or covid passport, they are pushing for this for all international airlines 

[yogavnture]

everybody be nice to usa or you wont get the vaccine.  america first

[Know not me]

There is no quick response

[bodga]

12 hours ago, crazykopite said:

More BS what will tomorrow’s headline bring 

Freddie  Starr  ate  my hamster?

[Bkktodd]

13 hours ago, Guderian said:

 

 

He seems to be focusing on domestic rather than foreign tourism.

 

Taiwan is a rich and well-organised country, and can afford to vaccinate all its citizens quickly. Thailand though?

Given that the vaccines don't appear to stop transmission of the virus, it might well be 2022 before the Thais can open up to foreigners again. The Thai government's foremost priority (like all governments) is the protection of its own citizens, so unless they can really speed up the national mass-vaccination programme, I don't see much changing until late next year at the earliest.  

You had me at that “fact” that vaccines dont appear to stop transmission.....fact is the  vaccine stops the virus by various coding to invade and populate in our bodies.  Transmission will slow down as fewer host bodies exist. Vaccines will be rolling out next month.  

[Bkktodd]

3 hours ago, kiwikeith said:

Read today's BK post, China has been vaccinating its military and essential overseas staff, in one instance 10 developed C19 and 18 did not the 10 who got covid were not vaccinated. 

China says they have vaccinated 1000000 successfully with little side effects. 

China has offered Thailand priority for the Sino vaccine. 

Other news Qantas is touting that all international flight passengers will not be able to board without a covid 19 certificate or covid passport, they are pushing for this for all international airlines 

Most international destinations require the covid test /certification.    Maybe a covid passport will include a vaccine at some point

[Straight8]

Agree, that quarantine is a major deal-breaker for most returning.

 

for some that about 50% of their holiday. FTS....

[sandyf]

11 hours ago, ChrisKC said:

Well, I booked 1 hotel and 4 resorts with Agoda in the first week of November; maybe I am their inspiration for a future upturn. But I know 4 of those I stayed at were all but empty. Hardly any restaurants or shops open and beaches deserted around Krabi.  Phi Phi Island virtually closed up!

We went to Ao Nang late August and as you say, deserted apart from when we visited the King's Temple. A couple of weeks later we went up to Khao Kho, different story altogether, tour buses everywhere, our hotel was fully booked.

Domestic tourists have a different preference to the foreigner.

[4MyEgo]

20 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

The potential vaccines have lifted optimism for travel worldwide obviously as people are dreaming of the day they can get away from this horrible year.  However, until the vaccines are actually is in use and proven to work on a grand scale, then all of this new optimism is misguided and pure speculation in nature. 

 

I suppose once the masses get injected and feel secure and safe again with this miracle vaccine that is yet to be administered. Then that they can then go about their merry way returning to normal, while having continued to be eating all the cr-p in the foods that they eat daily, you know the ones that the governments won't stop producers putting into those foods because they taste so yummy, including the ones sprayed with pesticides, GMO etc etc, all these foods affecting the masses down the line with all sorts of diseases such as:

 

Top 10 Deadliest Diseases statistically on an annual basis from various Organisations.

• Coronary Heart Disease (Estimated 31% or 17.9 million deaths)
• https://www.who.int/health-topics/cardiovascular-diseases/#:~:text=Cardiovascular diseases (CVDs) are the,17.9 million lives each year.
•  
• Stroke 5 .5 million deaths
• https://www.world-stroke.org/assets/downloads/WSO_Global_Stroke_Fact_Sheet.pdf 
•  
• Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) 3 million deaths
• https://www.who.int/gard/publications/The_Global_Impact_of_Respiratory_Disease.pdf
•  
• Cancers (Estimated 9.6 million deaths in 2017)
• https://ourworldindata.org/how-many-people-in-the-world-die-from-cancer
•  
• Diabetes 1.6 million deaths, although 422 million people have it
• https://www.who.int/health-topics/diabetes#tab=tab_1
•  
• Alzheimer's disease could be responsible for 500,000 deaths in the USA alone
• https://www.brightfocus.org/alzheimers/article/alzheimers-disease-facts-figures
•  
• Diarrhea 1.6 million people died from diarrheal diseases in 2017
• https://ourworldindata.org/childhood-diarrheal-diseases#:~:text=In 2017%2C almost 1.6 million,from terrorism – in total 1%2C355%2C000.
•  

Not getting off the track, but putting things into perspective, these foods do spread diseases to those who do consume then, don't they.

 

There certainly has been a lot of talk about Covid-19, but I am not going to get into that, because last time I said something I was suspended for 4 days and 9 minutes because I was shut down and told that I provided false and misleading information, e.g. no link to back up what I said, that said I found the above to be very interesting in comparison, however there is little talk about the millions perishing every single year, not of Covid-19 of course, but there is little talk or panic or address to that, isn't there. 

 

 

Edited November 26, 2020 by 4MyEgo

[sandyf]

10 hours ago, VBF said:

Well said. My bank balance since i came back to UK from Thailand in March is looking quite healthy - why? Because i'm  one of  "Those that continued to work throughout the year and pensioners, which account for about 20% of the population, have probably watched their bank balance inflate during the crisis."

 

Not bragging and am very sorry for those who have seen their fiances destroyed but just emphasising that not everyone will be unable to travel for the foreseeable future.

 

And to the poster that said "air travel will take a long time to resume"....maybe not quite as long as you fear.

Might I point you at this site https://simpleflying.com/

It's very interesting to watch the progress being made by the air travel industry seemingly against all odds.

My mate from Belfast used to have 5 pints of Guinness every night, the lockdown made him stay at home and now hardly goes to the pub, says he is better off than ever. Desperate to get over here again but not good with regulations and paperwork, still got a bit of a wait.

[Harrith54]

17 hours ago, Kaopad999 said:

Thailand most certainly top 5 in the world for Covid response. 
It will be interesting to know the final winner once Covid has finished. 

So this is to much, it is of no importance and has no impact on the feelings about the "pandemic" point! 

[rioD]

Vaccination reality: Millions take an annual flu vaccination and later catch the flu.   In the United States, the CDC conducts studies each year to determine how well the influenza (flu) vaccine protects against flu illness. While vaccine effectiveness (VE) can vary, recent studies show that flu vaccination reduces the risk of flu illness by between 40% and 60% among the overall population

[Bluetongue]

I wonder which vaccines companies like Qantas, proposing vaccination passports, will accept. If one was here and was coopted into Sinovac which was subsequently not accepted by Westerm countries, well that wouldn't be much good. Will one have to take several vaccines, how do they interact, questions abound.

[Kaopad999]

18 hours ago, terryofcrete said:

15th on the list just published in Bloomberg.  NZ No.1 . I suspect the absence of testing would affect the rankings .  

It's not over until it's over. Still a few more months to go until we see the final results. 

Edited November 26, 2020 by Kaopad999

[Kaopad999]

13 hours ago, Miami007 said:

I didn't know it was a competition. 

But Vietnam, laos, Cambodia, Tanzania, Taiwan  all have lower total numbers and lower per million residents.

That removes  Thailand from Top 5 .

What has Thailand done aside from keeping open to Chinese in January, February and then closing to all? Internal restrictions like Europe just lower testing of the domestic population 

Thaiand wears masks and keeps hands clean. 

 

13 hours ago, Miami007 said:

What has Thailand done aside from keeping open to Chinese in January, February and then closing to all? Internal restrictions like Europe just lower testing of the domestic population 

Thailand wore masks, kept hands clean, & closed borders, unlike western countries and they are still suffering from it. 
I already know 7 people back in the US & Europe that have had Covid. I don;t know one single person here that has had it. 
The numbers are very real indeed. 

[NoshowJones]

21 hours ago, Kaopad999 said:

Thailand most certainly top 5 in the world for Covid response. 
It will be interesting to know the final winner once Covid has finished. 

The unelected "PM" and his pocket filling soldiers of course.

[NoshowJones]

21 hours ago, Guderian said:

 

 

He seems to be focusing on domestic rather than foreign tourism.

 

Taiwan is a rich and well-organised country, and can afford to vaccinate all its citizens quickly. Thailand though?

Given that the vaccines don't appear to stop transmission of the virus, it might well be 2022 before the Thais cabefore the Thais can open up to foreigners again. The Thai government's foremost priority (like all governments) is the protection of its own citizens,n open up to foreigners again. The Thai government's foremost priority (like all governments) is the protection of its own citizens, so unless they can really speed up the national mass-vaccination programme, I don't see much changing until late next year at the earliest.  

"before the Thais can open up to foreigners again. The Thai government's foremost priority is the protection of its own citizens". Oh! really?? The Thai Unelected "government's" priority is too themselves.

[Rancid]

On 11/25/2020 at 2:48 PM, Dumbastheycome said:

Once whichever  vaccine starts to be distributed the paranoia will be relieved. No doubt the desired well heeled  who can pay to access  early it will be welcomed even if  numbers are not prolific.

The  general economic impact will have staggered financial viability for a quick return to mass tourism.

Meanwhile the "Talk it Up" brigade will continue to offer the  donkeys a carrot.

In fact with the MRVA vaccines doctors are now warning that they do reduce symptoms, however apparently do not provide immunity. Likewise with the 2 injections the side affects are quite unpleasant with migraines, cold sweats that can leave you bed ridden. Doctors were concerned that many people may not get the 2nd jab as more fearful of the vaccine than the virus, ways are now being considered as to how to encourage people to get the 2nd.

 

If so, then these MRNA vaccines will not open up things quickly at all, suspect the older style ones like the Russian and Chinese are a better alternative, however politically will never be allowed in the West.

[rayw]

15 hours ago, Miami007 said:

How do you know that Sputnik works 2 years? It hasn't been around for 6 months...

If it worked that great, why does Russia still have 20,000 cases yesterday?

You are aware that in the history of mankind, they found a total of zero effective vaccines against the many Corona viruses that existed before this one.

Now we found at least 5 that work more than 90% in less than 1 year?

Sure...

But as long as it stops the paranoia 

The numbers are still high in Russia too because they are only just starting to roll the Sputnik 5 vaccine out and that clearly will physically take some months before enough people are vacinated for it to show in rapidly dropping statistics of Covid cases and deaths.  It has apparently, as I understand it, been scientifically and rationally estimated, and not seriously questioned either, that Sputnik 5 vaccine should be around 94% effective for 2 years.  We should be celbrating this  news and ensuring that this vaccine (which is going to be available very soon now) is fully available worlwide for all those who choose  to have this particular version of the many vaccines that will be available next year. 

 

The reason these CV19 vaccines will be effective is because it is a vaccine against a SPECIFIC single strain of virus unlike the colds and flu vaccines which can only target a handful of the many hundreds of variations of these common viruses that are around each year.  So, as you should know, the Sputnik 5 vaccine  has not even been fully released yet let alone been around 6 months, so please get your facts correct. As to $3 or $4 a shot for the Oxford vaccine Pfizer are hoping to release next year then I say lets just wait and see as I do know that big greedy pharma, like Pfizer most certainly are, are in it to make big profits at the end of the day so watch out for the sting in the tail as I am sure there will be. Whats not to like about Sputniuk 5, which has been produced as a duty of care not by big greedy profit seeking big pharma, and has shown in testing to be more effective than the Oxford vaccine which is using IMHO a risky unproven new DNA modifying method.  

 

I repeat and underline a thousand times that personally I, and I know of many others too, simply do not trust western big pharma and if you check their history over recent decades you will appreciate why that is so.  Health care and pharma supplied as a duty of big profits is and never will be the right and will discriminate between teh haves and have nots rahter than dconccetrate on curing and treating those most in medical need.  I do know that in Russia and China they have a society that do far more care for their people and heathcare and as such is provided as a duty of care not driven solely by big fat cat profits.  I will certainly have the now fully tested Russian or Chinese Covid vaccine as soon as it is available.

 

 

[rayw]

11 hours ago, yogavnture said:

everybody be nice to usa or you wont get the vaccine.  america first

 

WHy ??  Maybe folks might consider that when Washigton and the US deep state finally decide to be nice to the rest of the World hmm !!!!!  

[Anna Rak]

As a Dirty Virus carrying Brit ( Farang ) waiting to return I can see the Welcome sign at the airport, " Nice to see you, To see you nice, BTW did you bring a suitcase full of vaccine for us. The Thai gov are To**ers.

 

As an afterthought, what happened to the Thai vaccine that the Thai gov said was being developed and would be available for all Thai people soon. Maybe they ran out of Monkeys before they realised it was no good.

 

Lies, Lies and more Lies!!!!!!