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If Thailand remains closed to farang tourists then bar girls will forget the little English that they know and the ratings will fall further 😏

It all begins with interest of the world outside, which is lacking. The incentive is 0.

Hasn't this poor dead horse been beaten enough?   You get what you pay for. Pay a competitive salary and you'll get quality teachers. I know a school where they are currently short 14 teache

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If one does some research they will find out that when Singapore was developing and was made up of Chinese, Malays,Indians they needed one thing to be come a Nation and that was a Language. They chose English 

If Thailand wishes to proceed down this path  well them a refocussing needs to happen according to the statistics

19 hours ago, guzzi850m2 said:

Not surprised, they are not really interested outside the tourist areas.

 

They should hire a lot of English teachers, a lot, and somebody that really can speak English and not the English teacher I spoke to in SiSaket many years ago, I didn't understand one word she was saying (Thai) and I felt sorry for her and her students. 

 

Singapore is doing very well in this regard.

 

 

 

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Just now, cmarshall said:

 

And your belief that the complexity of a language can be measured by the size of the vocabulary has what scientific basis?

 

The basis that 1 million words (as in English) will be far more difficult to command properly than a language with under 3,000 words (Thai).

 

It seems that I irritated you with my comment about complexity. Forgive me, I know little of the complexities of linguistics being not a TEFLer myself.

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2 hours ago, Emdog said:

I would like to volunteer a few hours a week to teach at a local school for free. I imagine more than a few retired expats such as myself would also volunteer. Many barriers to making this a reality, perhaps including having a native English teacher would show how little skill the accredited Thai English teacher has. And so it goes

Am with you 100% on this.

 

I am sure there are many retirees or people with time on their hands who would love to do volunteer teaching. When I arrived here some 4 years ago from Siem Reap (where I had legally volunteered for 5 years) and moved to my wifes village, I was immediatelly approached by the local high school and many local residents who offered me both volunteer and paid English teaching. Obviously on a retirement visa this is not allowed as it is construed as 'work' so I reluctantly turned down all offers.

 

To this day I still get asked to tutor students privately for decent money, but have to turn it down.

 

Having met most of the 4 or 5 English teachers from the high school now I honestly believe my time woud be better spent improving their English first.

 

It's sad as many of the kids obviously want to learn, many regularly at least attempting to talk to me on our walks around the village.

 

A poll of TV members who would like to volunteer would be interesting. Can't see this changing anytime soon.

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3 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

The basis that 1 million words (as in English) will be far more difficult to command properly than a language with under 3,000 words (Thai).

 

It seems that I irritated you with my comment about complexity. Forgive me, I know little of the complexities of linguistics being not a TEFLer myself.

Correct.  You know nothing about the science of linguistics and you don't seem to know much about Thai if you think it has only 3000 words.  I suggest you give your opinions more on subjects of which you do have knowledge.  

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When no real effort is being made to improve the system, improve the proficiency of the teachers, or the methods, nor to use the outside world as any kind of gauge, comparison, or resource, then you fall backwards. On top of that the schools here seem to instill a lack of confidence, a feeling of inferiority on the part of the students, and a continuation of the tribal mentality of obedience, at all costs.

 

I was hanging out with a friend the other day. Her son is about 12. Good kid. Speaks some english. He is in a sailing club, and his mom is nearly fluent in english, so he picks up alot there too, and seems to take what he learns in school seriously. I told him he was a smart kid. He shook his head no. I asked him why do you say no? He did not have an answer. I asked him, have any of your teachers ever told you, that you were smart? He said never, ever. The teachers seem reluctant to praise the kids, and give them confidence, and this would appear to have an extremely corrosive effect on society. 

 

Is the educational system here deliberately inferior, one might ask?

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2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I know how you feel. I've lived here most of my life now and forget some English words. 

 

Although there is some interesting research that suggests that achieving fluency in a second language may delay the onset of Alzheimer's, it has also been established that bilingual folks experience more of the just-on-the-tip-of-my-tongue experience as they get older.  So, welcome to the club.

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19 hours ago, JusticeGB said:

If Thailand remains closed to farang tourists then bar girls will forget the little English that they know and the ratings will fall further 😏

 

Me go loom you, boom boom long time.  Guess this will be remembered.

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2 hours ago, Natai Beach said:


Should be able to but it really doesn’t worry me if they can or can not. 
 

But they shouldn’t be rude to locals because the locals can not understand them.

 

And for someone who hasn’t picked up even basic thai like how to ask for a piece of rope after 8 years of living here? He was the stupid one.

 

Similar comments on this thread, more likely than not coming from like the homepro bloke. I wonder if he will read this. 

Hear hear, I have two friends who I was out with recently who didn't know how to say the day/month in Thai! they have been here 42 years between them.

Last week, I was with a US  guy in a cafe and he asked me to ask the waitress for more hot water, I kid you not.

 

Learn one word a day and you'll be surprised, it seems like yesterday I started this thread -  https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/49903-lets-learn-one-word-a-day/#comments

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44 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Wow. I can't imagine not speaking Thai when living in Thailand. For one thing, it gives so much freedom to go where you want when you want. 

Do your in laws speak English to each other so you can understand? 

Also, brings so many opportunities, for example I work as a translator now. 

BTW, if there is a contract in Thai and English, and any discrepancies, the Thai one governs in court. 

Yes when i'm with them they do use english. We don't sit on the floor, we use the table in the dining room when we visit. We don't have chickens running around because the land they have is used by local farmers not the family.

Most of them studied overseas after Uni' here as the FIL wanted to make sure they could get a decent job. One just retired from flying commercial and one recently returned from working for the government in USA. 

I could go on. Oh ok, FIL built a 2 bedroom house for us in BKK as a wedding present.

Nearly forgot, one is a lawyer, studied in UK.

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Re' contracts.

Companies from UK USA EU who used to place large fabrication jobs in Thailand didn't write the contract in Thai. The Thai subcontracted companies may have their translation of it but the contract in english was used.

 

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19 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand’s English proficiency ranking amongst non English speakers has fallen for the fourth consecutive year.

 

For some people this will mark an improvement on hitting their goal of being 100 out of 100.

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2 hours ago, Emdog said:

I would like to volunteer a few hours a week to teach at a local school for free. I imagine more than a few retired expats such as myself would also volunteer. Many barriers to making this a reality, perhaps including having a native English teacher would show how little skill the accredited Thai English teacher has. And so it goes

And how do you think the English teachers would feel? 

 

Just imagine if retired Chinamen started doing your profession for free in your country, whatever it is.

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