Afghan migrant: I thought France was humane until police beat me

[Sujo 16,626]

4 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

no we dont ,the vast majority of us  just want them to stay in their own countrys , whats so hard for you to understand?

Yet you didnt.

[Sujo 16,626]

1 hour ago, bodga said:

really ....where?

Note point 4.

 

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/truth-about-refugees

[Chomper Higgot 35,264]

25 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

no we dont ,the vast majority of us  just want them to stay in their own countrys , whats so hard for you to understand?

What’s to understand, people have always migrated, always will.

[bert bloggs 6,247]

17 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What’s to understand, people have always migrated, always will.

I will give you your due,you use any excuse in the book,my dad migrated to Britain during the war,married a local girl and became more British than you could imagine,worked all his life,never claimed a penny,unlike the vast majority of todays " migrants" .

 

[Sujo 16,626]

1 hour ago, bert bloggs said:

I will give you your due,you use any excuse in the book,my dad migrated to Britain during the war,married a local girl and became more British than you could imagine,worked all his life,never claimed a penny,unlike the vast majority of todays " migrants" .

 

So todays migrants are acting the same as locals these days. Integrated nicely.

[Opl 5,471]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

So todays migrants are acting the same as locals these days. Integrated nicely.

Yes Europeans in Europe. 

Some others ( outside Europe) consider their folklore prevails over local fabric.  

Edited December 1, 2020 by Opl

[kingdong 4,767]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What’s to understand, people have always migrated, always will.

And its up to the host country wether they let them in or not,

[Scott 16,080]

Off-topic post removed.  For the LAST time this thread is not about the woes of the UK.  Stay on topic or face a suspension.  

 

[simple1 19,600]

13 hours ago, bodga said:

really ....where?

 

Info in some posts in this topic. 

[onthedarkside 1,355]

Off topic and bickering posts have been removed.

 

If anyone needs a reminder, go back and re-read the OP thread here as to the topic:
 

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Khademi was among dozens of migrants and asylum seekers who had pitched pop-up tents on a central square in the city in an organised protest intended to attract attention to their precarious living conditions.

 

Police in riot gear moved in to disperse the protest on Monday night. Officers tussled with protesters as they tried to drag them out of the tents.

 

[Sujo 16,626]

22 hours ago, Opl said:

illegal migrants cause more troubles of all sorts, and in the long run, than French Police  

Perhaps read the OP. Nothing to state anyone is illegal.

[Sujo 16,626]

12 hours ago, kingdong said:

And its up to the host country wether they let them in or not,

And france did. Nothing to suggest anyone is illegal.

[kurtmartens 299]

On 11/30/2020 at 9:10 AM, simple1 said:

 

It is ridiculous to compare UK to Afghanistan. Afghanistan has had a cruel civil war for years, invaded twice in our lifetimes, with a massively corrupt unstable government. Afghanis are fighting for their country, but losing their lives in the hundreds every month with no reasonable outlook they will defeat the Taliban and IS. (one assumes due to endemic corruption).

 

US is pulling out, which it has declared it will do for a number of years, contrary to big mouth trump previously declaring he would never publicly declare intentions or negotiate with the enemy during war. I don't know the percentage, but many Afghan asylum seekers / refugees are Shiite. There are an estimated 1.5 million Afghan refugees in Pakistan and roughly four million Afghanis in Iran, composing those registered to live, approx one million refugees and an estimated one million 'illegals'. Accordingly it's a relatively small number trying to reach the West. It would be logical those trying to gain refugee status in the West are seeking to assist their families who have been refugees for years, some more than twenty years with no hope.  Last time the Taliban were losing territory hundreds of thousands of Afghans re-entered Afghanistan from Pakistan and Iran, obviously that's not going to happen again anytime soon, especially with IS added to the mix.

Afghans are fighting for their country?  That is a bunch of <deleted>!  I have worked there for 12 years in development and they are not fighting for their country they are trying to leave en masse.  Most of them have no interest in fighting for their country other than to line their pockets with as much money as they can and if they can afford to move to Dubai legally and do so or illegally bribe their way  to Europe via Iran and Turkey.  The West has wasted billions of dollars in development aid in Afghanistan and from first hand experience ... Kabul looks exactly the same as it did 12 years ago when I first started working there.  Dubai on the other hand has plenty of Afghan former government officials with houses that I couldn't afford on a consultants 6 figure salary and yet a Afghan government official making $600 a month can?  

 

(Now say all this.  I do have a few good, kind Afghan friends who managed to legally move to the US and have become citizens and are productive are hardworking.)

 

But, I am sorry to say they are fighting for their country ... thats a bunch of <deleted> in my experience.  Maybe you have a difference experience from working there?

 

[simple1 19,600]

1 hour ago, kurtmartens said:

Afghans are fighting for their country?  That is a bunch of <deleted>! 

The hundreds of Afghan security forces dying a month are not fighting for their country / protecting civilians  whatever? The rest of your post is well known, endemic corruption, drug smuggling and so on among those with any power, with <deleted> all achieved to address the corruption and other corrosive issues by Western governments as an outcome of nearly twenty years intervention; now with the strong possibility of Taliban taking control.

 

Given the Afghanistan Papers we now have somewhat of an insight to the BS which was occurring; it wasn't a one way street...

 

The degree of misrepresentation by military and civilian leaders of that effort in claiming success, and the specific details of those misrepresentations, should drive accountability as well as lessons for the future. But even extensive oversight mechanisms cannot guarantee the reversal of failing policy, if no one in a position of responsibility is willing to bite the bullet.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/what-the-afghanistan-papers-revealed/603721/

 

I assume you soon assessed the situation in Afghanistan, you must have had a reason to stay, so out of curiosity what difference did you make from investing twelve years of your life in Afghanistan?

 

 

Edited December 2, 2020 by simple1

[kingdong 4,767]

5 hours ago, Sujo said:

And france did. Nothing to suggest anyone is illegal.

The post clearly states " he smuggled himself into france ".