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At the start I thought this was a good thread and related to investing into agriculture, about waiting until you are sure and are in stable relationship before spending money.

But is seems that people are playing on symantics and is the chance higher with a “hooker” as compared to beautiful Big C girl.

My honest opinion, a hooker whether forced by mummy or daddy, has sold her soul to the meat market. She works from 8pm to 1pm. Tries her best to look sexy, to be bar fined and then to be F******* for a one night stand. Call me a bigot call me what you like but this is the way it is.

But sorry correct me if I mis-understand the bar-girl trade. So therefore at some point a poor innocent girl has had to sell her soul (my opinion). I believe in the saying you can take the girl out of the bar but you cannot take the bar out of the girl. Now STOP!!!!!! Before chastising me…. Yes I do believe you can find many beautiful girls that will take the immediate jump from bar life and become a very loving GF/wife in a successful monogamouse long term relationship. And I do see couples living happily from this. But this ain’t the norm and you are a dreamer if you think it is

But what is the difference with Big C girl

Well she wakes up works a 12 hour day, and looking for security in a nice rich boyfriend. She is showing some kind of work ethic, which I would regard higher than a bar-girl. BUT IN TURN AGAIN, this is no guarantee either.

So in my opinion you do have a better chance with a non-prostitute than a prostitute. But nothing is full proof, Therefore err on the side of caution and take your time with as most decisions relating to love and finances in Thailand.

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Maizefarmer

Comparing stats on those who completed tertiary education with those who did not (generally) finish secondary education is hardly equitable. The longer a relationship survives, the longer still it is likely to survive (just like mortality tables) is a statement of the obvious. Would a relationship with a shop worker have any greater chance of survival than that of the ex-bar girl? I think the answer might well be yes, marginally, down to the ex-bar girl's perception that she could do better, when a relationship starts to sour, by returning to her trade to find a new partner.

Look, you want to warn folks of the dangers of letting libido overrule the head before investing money in a relationship. My warning that allowing libido to overrule the head after commencement of that investment is equally valid. You put your misdemeanors on public record in this forum and now you complain when they are recalled and quoted.

The fact is, similar warnings have been made throughout the ages and are always acknowledged before and after guys allow libido to guide them. Nothing new here...nor will anything change.

Why ask if a guy would consider entering into commitments with a "hooker" he has only recently met in his home country? Should the question be any different were the the girl not a "hooker"? It is foolish to enter into a financial commitment with anyone before allowing time to evaluate the relationship (using the head as opposed to libido) regardless of that person's profession or general background. That is the simple crux of my argument that you seem unwilling to accept. You wish to single out bar girls, which implies that you think this advice applies more to them than to other potential partners.

Yes, I would be interested to read the statistical evidence you refer to. And I would then scrutinize it carefully to ascertain its methodology to determine its worth, its likely accuracy.

Khonwan

"Comparing stats on those who completed tertiary education with those who did not (generally) finish secondary education is hardly equitable".

I don't know the answer on that - but go back and read what I said in it's correct context i.e. that bar-girls proportionly are less likely to have finished secondary or tertiary education than Thai females who are employed in more conventional jobs. That is what I was saying - not, that educated girls versus uneducated are any more or less likely to maintain a longterm relationship - simply that the stats are that bar-girls are less likely to have finsihed secondary and/or tertiary education than have girls who are employed in conventional jobs. Would you feel that is wrong? Please read correctly what I said, I think you have defined an image or impression in your mind about what I said, and however much I try and reply to you comments on a point by point basis, you are determined not to see it in any other way than that first impression you formed.

"My warning that allowing libido to overrule the head after commencement of that investment is equally valid"

Yup, you're right on that - absolutely. I've said nothing that would disagree with that - or did I?

"You put your misdemeanors on public record in this forum and now you complain when they are recalled and quoted"

Please do not repeat this again - I told you first time round before - not because you raised it per say, it was because you raised it in a context that has nothing to with the subject matter - what for Khonwan?

"The fact is, similar warnings have been made throughout the ages and are always acknowledged before and after guys allow libido to guide them. Nothing new here...nor will anything change"

...... we agree on something.

"It is foolish to enter into a financial commitment with anyone before allowing time to evaluate the relationship (using the head as opposed to libido) regardless of that person's profession or general background. That is the simple crux of my argument that you seem unwilling to accept. You wish to single out bar girls, which implies that you think this advice applies more to them than to other potential partners"

Haved never disagreed with the first part of the above statement - you're bang on right. Yes - I did specifically singled out bar-girls (that was the whole purpose of the subject, because that is precisly the cross cultural mix between Thai females and ex-pats that accounts for most of the intimate relationships formed in Thailand, and it is precisly the relationship profile that repeatedly comes up on this forum when things go south - is that not correct? (find me 10 examples (on the forum) that do not include a bar-girl in an example of what the subject is about, in which things went "south" - and for every 1 of those examples highlight, I'll highlight 10 examples that did include bar-girls - and specifically they will be examples in which the ex-pat "victim" feels and had he only allowed more time to understand the situation, the whole incident/mess could have been avoided - there, very specifically inline with my original statement).

"Yes, I would be interested to read the statistical evidence you refer to. And I would then scrutinize it carefully to ascertain its methodology to determine its worth, its likely accuracy"

Give me some time - I'll dig up quite a bit for you - it'll keep you real busy. How good are your Thai reading skills?

MF

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At the start I thought this was a good thread and related to investing into agriculture, about waiting until you are sure and are in stable relationship before spending money.

But is seems that people are playing on symantics and is the chance higher with a “hooker” as compared to beautiful Big C girl.

My honest opinion, a hooker whether forced by mummy or daddy, has sold her soul to the meat market. She works from 8pm to 1pm. Tries her best to look sexy, to be bar fined and then to be F******* for a one night stand. Call me a bigot call me what you like but this is the way it is.

But sorry correct me if I mis-understand the bar-girl trade. So therefore at some point a poor innocent girl has had to sell her soul (my opinion). I believe in the saying you can take the girl out of the bar but you cannot take the bar out of the girl. Now STOP!!!!!! Before chastising me…. Yes I do believe you can find many beautiful girls that will take the immediate jump from bar life and become a very loving GF/wife in a successful monogamouse long term relationship. And I do see couples living happily from this. But this ain’t the norm and you are a dreamer if you think it is

But what is the difference with Big C girl

Well she wakes up works a 12 hour day, and looking for security in a nice rich boyfriend. She is showing some kind of work ethic, which I would regard higher than a bar-girl. BUT IN TURN AGAIN, this is no guarantee either.

So in my opinion you do have a better chance with a non-prostitute than a prostitute. But nothing is full proof, Therefore err on the side of caution and take your time with as most decisions relating to love and finances in Thailand.

For what it worth - I agree 100% with what you've said.

MF

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Is there a point to this thread except to point out, for the millionth time, that there are some hopelessly lonely western men who let themselves be conned out of money by local girls?

Well bugger me. What a revelation.

Now that I know that, I can live my life in peace.

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imo it is the combination of the girl being a bg (hooker),not knowing her,long enough to actually know her,& not being fluent in the thai language,that is the problem.all of these factors together are obvious dangers.

its not ground breaking news to believe that most prostitutes are not really after romance with a man,as they've given up on it.

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Mozzieman - if you'd read the whole thread you'd see I was repeating what another forum member wrote (i.e. "only farm in Thailand if that is what you want to do.....").

MF

Maizefarmer with the greatest respect I have read your OP several times and no point in it do I see any indication that another forum member wrote

... and the golden rule: only farm or get involved in agriculture in Thailand if that is what you want to do - there are a thousand other things to do here that can make a lot more money with a lot less work.

I took these to be your thoughts.

Please correct me if I have made an error.

MM

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its not ground breaking news to believe that most prostitutes are not really after romance with a man

So they make do with a Farang instead. :o

Edited by Maigo6

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its not ground breaking news to believe that most prostitutes are not really after romance with a man

So they make do with a Farang instead. :o

IMO, mediocre sex is better than none, Maigo6

Edited by qwertz

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its not ground breaking news to believe that most prostitutes are not really after romance with a man

So they make do with a Farang instead. :o

LOL, Yeah right and I suppose all them cheap *** tricking in the Karaoke bars are after farangs too:P Thai men support prostitution in Thailand much more than farang ones do just on sheer numbers alone.

Edited by sbk
edited for offensive language

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its not ground breaking news to believe that most prostitutes are not really after romance with a man

So they make do with a Farang instead. :o

LOL, Yeah right and I suppose all them cheap hoes tricking in the Karaoke bars are after farangs too:P Thai men support prostitution in Thailand much more than farang ones do just on sheer numbers alone.

That is quite right - the Thai/Thai sex industry is larger than the Thai/farang sex industry - it's just that the average ex-pat visitor and resident doesn't see so much of it - Thai's go about it a little more discreetly, and it has less "bells & whistles" attached (i.e. pay for the ride - move on).

MF

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Might I point out the first rule of TV:

1) You will not use thaivisa.com to post any material which is knowingly or can be reasonably construed as false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, referencing prostitution (including bargirls and barboys), referencing suicide, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of any law.

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You might, and not for the first time.

BTW, great thread. when you leave them open long enough some of us with a desire to can learn from the elders. I am sorry if that sometimes involves getting perrilously close to the line of drawn by rule one. But I'd like to say that its the meatier coversations that keep me coming back. Not the lightweight "everythings peachie" stuff. Even though I started a thread to along those lines to share some good feelings. I know not everyone feels the same way so I try to cater for all.

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As long as the meaty conversations stay merely meaty that's ok. The problem is that they have a propensity to descend into all-out brawls which is definitely not ok :o

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Might I point out the first rule of TV:

1) You will not use thaivisa.com to post any material which is knowingly or can be reasonably construed as false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, referencing prostitution (including bargirls and barboys), referencing suicide, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of any law.

This thread matches none of the above, the whole tone of this thread is of people discussing a subject in a very intelligent and adult manner, I for one have enjoyed it immensley, lets keep it this way, this is Thai Visa at its best.

MM

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