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UK says tough tiers needed as PM tries to see off lawmaker backlash

By Sarah Young

 

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FILE PHOTO: Britain's Prime Minister Boris Johnson wears a face mask as he visits the Public Health England site at the Porton Down science park, near Salisbury, Britain November 27, 2020. Adrian Dennis/Pool via REUTERS/File Photo

 

LONDON (Reuters) - England needs tough restrictions after its current lockdown ends if hospitals are not to become overwhelmed, a senior minister said, as Prime Minister Boris Johnson wrote to lawmakers to say the measures would end in February to try to quell opposition.

 

Britain upped preparations for a vaccine roll-out on Saturday as Johnson named Nadhim Zahawi as a new health minister to oversee its deployment and the Financial Times reported that the UK is set to approve the BioNTech Pfizer vaccine next week.

 

But despite progress on the vaccine, the government still needs to convince lawmakers to back its new tougher tiered measures which will put 99% of English people into the highest two levels of restrictions when the current national lockdown ends on Dec. 2.

 

Sky News reported that Johnson wrote to lawmakers ahead of their vote on the new measures on Tuesday to say that the tiered approach has "a sunset of 3 February" and they will be reviewed every two weeks before then. Lawmakers will then vote again on Jan. 27, according to the letter.

 

Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove wrote in the Times newspaper on Saturday to warn that without further restrictions on most of England's population hospitals would be overwhelmed. He urged lawmakers to back government plans.

 

More than 20 million people across large swathes of England will be forced to live under the toughest tier of coronavirus restrictions.

 

A growing number of lawmakers in Johnson's Conservative party have voiced opposition to the tiered restrictions plan.

 

Some argue that the areas they represent have low infection rates but face the toughest rules, while others say the new measures will cause unnecessary economic harm to local businesses.

 

There is also some public opposition to the restrictions. Police in central London said they made 155 arrests during anti-lockdown demonstrations on Saturday.

 

Gove said the level of infection across the country remained "uncomfortably and threateningly high".

 

"These new tiers, alongside the wider deployment of mass testing, have the capacity to prevent our NHS being overwhelmed until vaccines arrive," said Gove.

 

(Reporting by Sarah Young; Editing by Mike Harrison and David Evans)

 

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4 hours ago, rooster59 said:

A growing number of lawmakers in Johnson's Conservative party have voiced opposition to the tiered restrictions plan.

Don't blame them at all. Probably afraid of getting the boot in the next election. Someone is going to have to pay for the economic carnage.

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4 hours ago, rooster59 said:

"These new tiers, alongside the wider deployment of mass testing, have the capacity to prevent our NHS being overwhelmed until vaccines arrive," said Gove.

Sooooo, what's the plan if the vaccine doesn't work, if it's delayed, or if it doesn't last long? Lockdown and making people suffer, the only plan?

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It would be funny to watch Bumbling Buffoon Boris if the grim reality was thousands of unnecessary deaths.
 

Mistake after mistake. Never ending. Contradicts himself everytime he speaks. 

 

The sad thing is since he contracted it himself he looks like he has actually been trying but ended up with a death rate worse than the USA.
 

He wants to relax the rules for five days over Xmas which will further the spread. 
 


 

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8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Sooooo, what's the plan if the vaccine doesn't work, if it's delayed, or if it doesn't last long? Lockdown and making people suffer, the only plan?

Well let them go out and party then as long as they realize that there won't be any beds available for them. What would you suggest? I'm sure you could do better than all the experts worldwide, drinking bleach perhaps?

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14 hours ago, soalbundy said:

Well let them go out and party then as long as they realize that there won't be any beds available for them. What would you suggest? I'm sure you could do better than all the experts worldwide, drinking bleach perhaps?

Swedish solution, before they backtracked.

 

Why are you making it personal? Is that the best you can do, to attack other posters personally?

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1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Swedish solution, before they backtracked.

 

Why are you making it personal? Is that the best you can do, to attack other posters personally?

The Swedes backtracked for good reason. It isn't personal, it annoys me to hear people talking about their personal freedom in the middle of a pandemic while the health service is getting overwhelmed. Plenty of critic from people who couldn't put on a band aid correctly but no sensible suggestions what they think ought to be done, Trump tried, causing unnecessary deaths, and criticizes gas masks encouraging people to ignore safety precautions while he goes golfing. The UK has its own idiots, ''Christmas will be ruined", there's worse, try the ICU. Isolation seems to be the only logical measure but it won't work if enough people ignore it, even vaccination won't work if enough anti-vaccers don't vaccinate (my daughter is one). I too thought that covid was overhyped at first but surely there is enough evidence now to show how dangerous the situation is unless one belongs to the conspiracy nutters.

In short tell us what you would do differently.  

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22 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

The Swedes backtracked for good reason. It isn't personal, it annoys me to hear people talking about their personal freedom in the middle of a pandemic while the health service is getting overwhelmed. Plenty of critic from people who couldn't put on a band aid correctly but no sensible suggestions what they think ought to be done, Trump tried, causing unnecessary deaths, and criticizes gas masks encouraging people to ignore safety precautions while he goes golfing. The UK has its own idiots, ''Christmas will be ruined", there's worse, try the ICU. Isolation seems to be the only logical measure but it won't work if enough people ignore it, even vaccination won't work if enough anti-vaccers don't vaccinate (my daughter is one). I too thought that covid was overhyped at first but surely there is enough evidence now to show how dangerous the situation is unless one belongs to the conspiracy nutters.

In short tell us what you would do differently.  

I would do what the Swedes did originally except I'd isolate the actually at risk eg people in old folks homes and not send infected people to them.

I'm not speaking as one not at risk, as I'd probably die if I got it ( I have a living will forbidding resuscitation and ventilation ). I just don't want to die hiding in my room in case I got a virus.

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1 hour ago, soalbundy said:

it annoys me to hear people talking about their personal freedom in the middle of a pandemic while the health service is getting overwhelmed.

Till they declare martial law, I'm talking about personal freedom. If it's really that bad, why haven't they? Could it be that it's not as bad as they claim?

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2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Till they declare martial law, I'm talking about personal freedom. If it's really that bad, why haven't they? Could it be that it's not as bad as they claim?

That would be extreme, reserved for something like ebola. It is very bad for some, just bad for the majority and an inconvenience for others, unlike ebola it isn't fatal for the greater part of the population (although changes in the brain have been registered, unsure about long term effects). Governments are relying on the good sense of the population, for around 20% that is misplaced trust.

America is getting a 3rd wave on top of the second wave, they do have an extreme situation and yet 50 million are travelling for thanks giving, with so many Trump supporters what can you expect, they can't do ML, too many red necks with guns just waiting to vent their frustrations.

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1 hour ago, soalbundy said:

It is very bad for some, just bad for the majority and an inconvenience for others,

About time they stopped penalising the others for the sake of the some. Isolate the some, and let everyone else have a life.

If they keep it up they are going have some serious repercussions from the populace, IMO, no matter what anyone says on here.

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11 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

About time they stopped penalising the others for the sake of the some. Isolate the some, and let everyone else have a life.

If they keep it up they are going have some serious repercussions from the populace, IMO, no matter what anyone says on here.

Yes they should send out forms for people to fill in, "If you caught covid would you (a) die  (b) be seriously ill but recover (c) only be mildly affected. If you have ticked (c) you may continue to live a normal life and continue with the everyday banalities that are so important to you such as pointless conversations in the bar, involve yourselves in pointless family dramas over Christmas, watch a live sporting event that you would otherwise be forced to watch on TV. Those who ticked (a) and (b) will unfortunately be forced into inhuman isolation with your TV, iphones, netflix, books etc. for a few months, this may cause some introspection and a new appraisal of life but never fear, you will soon be down the pub holding important conversations about football and politics".

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On 12/1/2020 at 10:18 AM, soalbundy said:

for a few months, this may cause some introspection and a new appraisal of life but never fear, you will soon be down the pub holding important conversations about football and politics".

After a "few months" given many will have no job and no savings left, the pub will be but a dream of happier times in the past, as they won't be able to afford pub prices. They might not even be able to afford a house to live in and some might kill themselves, or beat their wife/ family. Suicide and domestic violence have apparently increased since lockdowns started. Increased evictions would happen if unemployment benefits are not sufficient, or cease.

 

Hardly the sort of thing to be sarcastic about.

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