fondue zoo Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 We recently moved to a new residence and the owner has now informed us they want nothing to do with TM30 reporting. Our last registration was done online with no problems, CW occasionally asked for the owners blue book and a signed ID photocopy both of which we were given. Is there any way around this problem? We would rather not move again if possible. CW doesn't accept the possessor of the lease agreement option, it's the owner's blue book and ID or nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Ask the owner for a signed copy of their ID card and house book. General rule is to make that requirement before you sign a rental agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fondue zoo Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 Yes it was, but now all of a sudden they don't want to involve themselves with it after speaking to their accountant, or so we were told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchweller Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Did you sign a contract with them as a foreigner? Few options. Tell them you will be Reporting them to tax department. Find another place (the market is flooded and if owners are not flexible there is plenty to choose from) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malt25 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 2 hours ago, dutchweller said: Did you sign a contract with them as a foreigner? Few options. Tell them you will be Reporting them to tax department. Find another place (the market is flooded and if owners are not flexible there is plenty to choose from) Little point in telling them that. TM30 & they will be telling the tax mob them selves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 21 minutes ago, malt25 said: Little point in telling them that. TM30 & they will be telling the tax mob them selves. There is nothing to say that TM30 data goes to the tax office, a TM30 can be for an owner, a friend not paying any rent, a husband etc, it doesnt automatically mean a property is being rented out. Its that sort of misinformation that has Thais reluctant to do TM30s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 27 minutes ago, malt25 said: Little point in telling them that. TM30 & they will be telling the tax mob them selves. You are wrong. Immigration does not report anything to the revenue department and they have told people that did not want to do the report for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldera Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 I've made the TM30 registration process part of my move-in procedures. A landlord who fails to sign the form and provide me with the requisite copies when the contract is being signed neither gets my signature nor my deposit. Their choice. So far, no issues, but I've read too many reports such as this one over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almer Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 I thought TM30 was scraped !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Almer said: I thought TM30 was scraped !!! It still has to be done in certain cases. Dependent upon the type of visa or extension you have they are not required unless you change your address that immigration has on file. Hotels and etc are still doing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almer Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said: It still has to be done in certain cases. Dependent upon the type of visa or extension you have they are not required unless you change your address that immigration has on file. Hotels and etc are still doing them. Ubonjoe, i sit with a retirement for several years living in the same house and think i am not needed to notify for an out of province jolly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJack54 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, Almer said: Ubonjoe, i sit with a retirement for several years living in the same house and think i am not needed to notify for an out of province jolly. No. Even if you exit Thailand and return to same place your living you would not do a TM30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orientfan Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 I thought it was a legal requirement for the owner to provide/assist with the TM.30 but may be wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisvS Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Hi. I had the same problem. I went to immigration with all my paperwork and informed them the building owner refused. They helped me, gave me proof and that was that. I did give the the requested additional info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthainess Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 You could try giving immigration the owners phone number and get them to phone the owner. You never know till you try. Always keep several signed copies of their ID and bluebook in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 hour ago, orientfan said: I thought it was a legal requirement for the owner to provide/assist with the TM.30 but may be wrong... Not exactly correct. This from the immigration act. "Section 38 : The house – master , the owner or the possessor of the residence , or the hotel manager where the alien , receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed , must notify the competent official of the Immigration Office located in the same area with that hours , dwelling place or hotel, within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the alien concerned." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvorBiggun2 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Luckily for me I took the missus with me to Buriram immigration today to do my 90 day report. They were more interested in missus and asked for her I D card. Her details were noted and then a TM 30 notification was sign by the officer in charge and stapled into my passport. Why? The TM 30 has nothing to do with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malt25 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 8 hours ago, ubonjoe said: You are wrong. Immigration does not report anything to the revenue department and they have told people that did not want to do the report for that reason. Sorry... My bad ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almer Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 6 hours ago, DrJack54 said: No. Even if you exit Thailand and return to same place your living you would not do a TM30 Thanks Dr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fondue zoo Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 5 hours ago, ubonjoe said: Not exactly correct. This from the immigration act. "Section 38 : The house – master , the owner or the possessor of the residence , or the hotel manager where the alien , receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed , must notify the competent official of the Immigration Office located in the same area with that hours , dwelling place or hotel, within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the alien concerned." What exactly is a house-master? Unfortunately immigration offices tend to make no distinction between owner and possessor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 12 hours ago, fondue zoo said: What exactly is a house-master? Unfortunately immigration offices tend to make no distinction between owner and possessor. From the immigration act. " "House Master" means any persons who is the chief possessor of a house , whether in the capacity of owner , tenant , or in any other capacity whatsoever , in accordance with the law on people act." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fondue zoo Posted December 2, 2020 Author Share Posted December 2, 2020 31 minutes ago, ubonjoe said: From the immigration act. " "House Master" means any persons who is the chief possessor of a house , whether in the capacity of owner , tenant , or in any other capacity whatsoever , in accordance with the law on people act." If only CW would read and actually comprehend the Act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvorBiggun2 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 18 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said: Luckily for me I took the missus with me to Buriram immigration today to do my 90 day report. They were more interested in missus and asked for her I D card. Her details were noted and then a TM 30 notification was sign by the officer in charge and stapled into my passport. Why? The TM 30 has nothing to do with me. Can I bump this question please? And what would have happened had I not taken my missus or I did the reporting online? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 28 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said: And what would have happened had I not taken my missus or I did the reporting online? They might of had you do a TM30 report or sent you away to return with proof of your residence and a completed TM30 form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvorBiggun2 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 4 hours ago, ubonjoe said: They might of had you do a TM30 report or sent you away to return with proof of your residence and a completed TM30 form. Proof of residence? Immigration have been to my house at least half a dozen times over the years. My wife was fined 500 Baht tuther year for not notifying them I was living with her. Cash, no receipt. And as I said they'd visited out house numerous times before that. And she was with me when i did my extension in August of this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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