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Thailand tracking 200 people as infected returnees skip COVID-19 quarantine


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9 hours ago, AmySeeker said:
16 hours ago, poohy said:

I live near the border i would imagine Lots!!

 

If you are aware of that the border is porous and people are just shuffling through unchecked - then why aren't Thai authorities ? 

 

Because the Thai authorities don't possess such a vivid imagination?

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12 hours ago, Lingba said:

you can bet your ass that by now they have been in contact with many people...this coupled with Thailand not doing any testing of people already in country...get ready for the spread....

Good morning Mr. Glass Half-empty.

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7 hours ago, Robin said:

UK allowed residents back in but insisted on 14 day quarantine in their own homes.  Since most followed the rules, no great surge in infections.

 

A bit off topic but after the initial emergency repatriation of Brits from China, there were absolutely no checks and no requirement for people arriving to quarantine after arrival. It was only after several weeks of 'open doors' and commensurate with the start of the first national lock-down that border controls were put in place.

 

Stable door syndrome.

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33 minutes ago, Oldie said:

I have to think of the recent two day fireworks festival in Pattaya. There were thousands of people (some say up to one 100k) and no social distancing at all (people were sitting and standing next to each other) and very many people were without masks. Now I imagine there was one person with Covid. What will happen then? Track all of the many visitors? Put all of them into quarantine? 

I was right in the middle of this huge crowd. you are right. it would be completely impossible to track this. the dozens of food vendors, people selling matts, everyone at the concert packed together, the jammed 7 elevens, the mobile toilets, there were even lines to use ATM's.   

 

not to mention the huge crowds in Bangkok now for other reasons. 

 

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1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

You can not stop the porous borders and you can not detect covid if not testing randomly. It is here but no one seems to think much until a case is thrown in their face.  GF's mother has been sick for 3 weeks in a hill tribe location in Myanmar. 3 hours to the closest hospital. Finally went on Sunday by car, rough ride and lo and behold she has covid. Local clinic said to just take paracetamol and rest. Not getting better my GF paid someone to drive her.  Many are sick but no one there is doing much about it either. 

 

So yes it will come across the border. But for this government to say not one of the contacts tested positive is pure BS.

 

Myanmar's public health system, where it exists, is woefully inadequate. They've been concentrating on bottling up numerous clusters in communities in and around Yangon. Sadly, the remote states have to look out for themselves.

 

Unlike the contact with Burmese truck drivers in Tak early last October, Covid isn't entering Thailand via infected Burmese. This was caused by Thai people that had illegally entered Myanmar to work and illegally returned. Since there's not a whole lot of casinos just over the border, I think this has been nipped in the bud again. The natural, i.e. unguarded border is mostly inhospitable and inaccessible so I doubt there's much effort in entering that way.

 

Thailand's track-and-trace appears to work well with those testing positive being quarantined and going through the normal isolation and recovery processes.

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47 minutes ago, eeworldwide said:

There IS no social distancing happening in Thailand.

Really? I see them doing it every day.

 

48 minutes ago, eeworldwide said:

Thailand's anti-covid measures only include border control by air and some land points, and masks. Thats it.

 

No. it is not 'that's it' at all. They also PCR test people arriving by air and controlled land points. Then everyone gets quarantined for 14 days. These infected returnees came through an unguarded  'natural border'.

 

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3 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

So they are well aware of the dangers.  But how do you monitor the 2,500 KM border?  Most of which is jungle and mountains with no proper roads, just paths.  And the virus is raging in Myanmar.

Especially when large parts of the border police have been shifted to Bangkok to try and provoke a confrontation with the protesters. 

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1 hour ago, eeworldwide said:

Thailand's anti-covid measures only include border control by air and some land points, and masks. Thats it.

Not sure where you are but I get temperature tested probably a dozen times a day, often automatically. There are at least 4 active testing stations within 2 km of where I live and one has queues and is open 24 hours. 

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41 minutes ago, nickmondo said:

no surge of infections in the UK????????????

are you in a coma mate?

you not seeing whats happening in the UK?

mate, you need to pay attention more

Yeah, please the UK is not a country Thailand wants to use as an example of how to handle this.

Almost 60,000 deaths, lockdowns, and their deaths per million population rank towards the top in the world even worse then the US.

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35 minutes ago, nickmondo said:

no surge of infections in the UK????????????

are you in a coma mate?

you not seeing whats happening in the UK?

mate, you need to pay attention more

True but the UK is reporting fact not fiction and you have a good idea on the pandemic state , unlike Asia where there is little if any border patrols between official border crossings and testing and tracing almost non existent . Thailand regards aiming a temperature check at your head to be a test .

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8 hours ago, Robin said:

This is why Thailand has to have strict quarantine.  It is not the dirty farangs who are bringing in the infections, it is Thais who will not follow basic common sense and isolate in quarantine unless forced to do so.  

UK allowed residents back in but insisted on 14 day quarantine in their own homes.  Since most followed the rules, no great surge in infections. 

Thailand is suffering from restrictions because the government knows that Thais cannot be trusted to quarantine unless forced into isolation.  Who to blame?

The UK run a policy which is off the wall and in my opinion pointless.

When you land at Heathrow from anywhere in the world, high infection area or not, you are asked to give an undertaking that you will now self quarantine for 14 days. You can then leave immigration and enter the crowded airport. where you can go and get on the crowded Heathrow Express. when you get to Paddington, you can then continue to use public transport, crowded buses, trains, or coaches to get to your destination. Once home no checks are carried out to see if you are actually staying home. 

 

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3 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

You can not stop the porous borders and you can not detect covid if not testing randomly. It is here but no one seems to think much until a case is thrown in their face.  GF's mother has been sick for 3 weeks in a hill tribe location in Myanmar. 3 hours to the closest hospital. Finally went on Sunday by car, rough ride and lo and behold she has covid. Local clinic said to just take paracetamol and rest. Not getting better my GF paid someone to drive her.  Many are sick but no one there is doing much about it either. 

 

So yes it will come across the border. But for this government to say not one of the contacts tested positive is pure BS.

Thailand has no reason to hide any infection. Otherwise, they wouldn't have reported the women sneaking in and testing positive. Tey would have just waited too see in any other community spread had occured and acted on that (which would have been too late). 

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18 hours ago, webfact said:

There were 356 people in Chiang Rai and Chiang Mai provinces potentially exposed, among them staff and customers of a hotel, shopping mall, cinema, restaurants and passengers in a van and taxi, Prachon told a news conference.

How considerate of these girls... and for posting photo's of themselves doing it on FB

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1 hour ago, NCC1701A said:

I was right in the middle of this huge crowd. you are right. it would be completely impossible to track this. the dozens of food vendors, people selling matts, everyone at the concert packed together, the jammed 7 elevens, the mobile toilets, there were even lines to use ATM's.   

 

not to mention the huge crowds in Bangkok now for other reasons. 

 

 

It was outdoors. reduces risk massively.

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3 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

 

These ladies did post their crossing on FB, with photos and the victory sign. They had 26" rollaboards in hand, looked manageable.

 

Suspect there are just a few paths used by 95%, should be easy for the Border Police to monitor, unless they're off in Bangkok dealing with school children protesting?

 

 

I was alone at Phu Chi Fa in Chiang Rai early October. A mountainous natural border with Laos and lots of jungle all around. Crossing there would probably need a high level of experience in climbing. However, the Thai Border patrol boys subsequently arrived in force, more of a sightseeing outing for them than serious border protection though. They were taking selfies and a couple were happy to be pictured with their guns and uniforms. If they really wanted to be effective suggest they target easier crossing points.

Phu Chi Fa - Oct 2020.jpg

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1 hour ago, chilli42 said:

Testing positive with the PCR Covid test does not mean that you have Covid.  They keep saying that these people tested positive, that is not helpful ... it does not mean they have Covid. They need to be clear if those involved have been clinically assessed and confirmed to have the disease ... then we can start to worry.

 

Most of us know that but thanks for the timely reminder.

 

A positive PCR swab tests indicates a minute presence Covid-19 viral RNA but cannot tell if it's virulent and infectious. Further testing under quarantine will determine if the person is a non-infectious positive, ie. the viral load detected is incapable of infecting cells and reproducing. Nobody wants to risk the suspect NOT being infected since anyone that is infected may be asymptomatic but still sheds their viral load (a potential superspreader), peaking between 5 to 7 days after exposure.

 

We know that two of these ladies had symptoms about a week ago while still in Myanmar but one of them seemed to have improved enough that she appeared to go about her life as normal before considering she should go and get tested. Another friend, only decided to get tested after learning one of her friends had tested positive. I read that another one was arrested on a Pattaya-bound bus. Maybe she was asymptomatic? There hasn't been much in the media to either confirm the 'arrest' on the bus, if she was a Chiang Mai resident or maybe on a provincial bus simply headed home and not necessarily to Pattaya.

 

If they had all agreed to lay low, self-quarantine on arrival and not share their adventures on FB, chances are this illegal border shuffling could have carried on undetected, willfully or otherwise. The reported movements of the first one in Chiang Mai where she went to a friends condo than maybe back to her own condo the next day suggests that any plan they did have to ride it out went quickly off the tracks.

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1 hour ago, kevin612 said:

It is gonna be a nightmare if second breakout occurs 

 

Was there ever really a first breakout in Thailand?

 

I recall the Lumpini boxing event and catching that superspreader up in Isaan very quickly as well as contact tracing all he encountered as he went to wedding parties, cock fights and visited waterfalls.

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59 minutes ago, superal said:

True but the UK is reporting fact not fiction and you have a good idea on the pandemic state , unlike Asia where there is little if any border patrols between official border crossings and testing and tracing almost non existent . Thailand regards aiming a temperature check at your head to be a test .

 

Thailand's success at track-and-trace has been key to preventing outbreaks and clusters. Lumpini boxing stadium, the Egyptian airmen at U-Tapao and now the Thai karaoke girls. It looks far, far better than the 'world class' effort in the UK. Now that is fiction.

 

Nobody here considers a thermal scan as a Covid-19 test.

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12 hours ago, AmySeeker said:

 

If you are aware of that the border is porous and people are just shuffling through unchecked - then why aren't Thai authorities ? 

Last time I went to Mae Sot, as us "straights" were being stamped in and out on the bridge the locals were being ferried side to side on the river below. 

I am sure that by now that no longer happens. 

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30 minutes ago, soi3eddie said:

 

I was alone at Phu Chi Fa in Chiang Rai early October. A mountainous natural border with Laos and lots of jungle all around. Crossing there would probably need a high level of experience in climbing. However, the Thai Border patrol boys subsequently arrived in force, more of a sightseeing outing for them than serious border protection though. They were taking selfies and a couple were happy to be pictured with their guns and uniforms. If they really wanted to be effective suggest they target easier crossing points.

Phu Chi Fa - Oct 2020.jpg

 

Great view isn't it?

 

You were alone, in your grey vector camo top and subsequently the BP turned up. Why do you think that happened?

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58 minutes ago, AmySeeker said:

 

It was outdoors. reduces risk massively.

What planet are you on.  Yes normally it would if proper social distancing was observed, but being butt to butt, cheek to cheek and 4" from face to face with no mask, then a cough, a sneeze, and it does not matter, it still would spread..

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