Illegal renting of houses to large groups of noisy tourists - where do I report?

[bluesofa]

Just now, Surelynot said:

I am absolutely staggered that anyone finds it acceptable to make any noise that disturbs someone else's peace and quiet.....anywhere in the world.

 

Just like respect should be automatic and only ever lost......peace and quiet should be the order of the day and never unnecessarily broken.

Back in the UK, our neighbours were noisy duckers. Especially when their bed headboard kept hitting the wall separating the two houses.

[Surelynot]

33 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

Back in the UK, our neighbours were noisy duckers. Especially when their bed headboard kept hitting the wall separating the two houses.

Kids jumping up and down on the bed?

[ChipButty]

You cant report Prostitutes because there is none in Pattaya so the police say

Edited December 6, 2020 by ChipButty

[bluesofa]

7 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

41 minutes ago, bluesofa said:

Back in the UK, our neighbours were noisy duckers. Especially when their bed headboard kept hitting the wall separating the two houses.

Kids jumping up and down on the bed?

They were the end result, yes.

[Leaver]

5 hours ago, natway09 said:

Just be careful, the reprisals once known who dobbed them in may be severe.

 

My thoughts as well. 

[samsensam]

8 hours ago, Natai Beach said:

I think he came to the wrong place. He wants peace and quiet in Pattaya? He didn’t really think that through.
 

Thais have every right under the sun to have a socialise and sing and listen to music. 
And make a living. 
And have a job.
 

I lived in a Soi with a seven bedroom holiday rental in Pattaya. 
The Thais didnt care about the noise, I didn’t either, I didn’t let it bother me and a couple of times I was invited in for a drink, some food and to singalong. 

 

3 farangs in the Soi were constantly complaining and wanted me to join their complaints until I told them “Their country, they can do what they like, they aren’t hurting anyone, just singing and dancing, having fun like normal young people do”.

 
The thai owner of the villa actually kept the whole Soi nice and tidy.

 

The only times the Thai residents were not happy was because the farang and Indian groups of men brought back prostitutes and there would sometimes be fights and screaming over non payment. 
 

Nothing worse than when a foreigner shows up uninvited to a country and starts telling the local people how to behave because he doesn’t like. Call the party off because it is annoying a foreigner. 
 

He can complain all he likes, nothing will change, but if the Thais know he snitched on them, well, you know....

 

“Their country, they can do what they like, they aren’t hurting anyone, just singing and dancing, having fun like normal young people do”.

 

i dont get the logic of the 'it's their country.'.' argument. so if you're the citizen of a particular country it's ok to behave in an anti-social, possibly illegal way, simply because of citizenship? so what if your activities are disturbing/annoying other citizens of that country, how does the argument pan out?

[jak2002003]

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

I am absolutely staggered that anyone finds it acceptable to make any noise that disturbs someone else's peace and quiet.....anywhere in the world.

 

Just like respect should be automatic and only ever lost......peace and quiet should be the order of the day and never unnecessarily broken.

Agree 100 percent. Can come and be my neighbour please? ????

[Surelynot]

2 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

Agree 100 percent. Can come and be my neighbour please? ????

OMG found someone who thinks the same....beginning to think I was the only person in the world who values peace and quiet and thinks of other people's peace and quiet at the same time. THANK YOU

[Leaver]

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

Just like respect should be automatic and only ever lost...

 

Respect is earned. 

 

It should never be automatic.

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, Leaver said:

 

Respect is earned. 

 

It should never be automatic.

Absolutely 100% wrong...think about it rather quoting......Respect everyone automatically...it is called being civilized.....if they misbehave then yes they lose your respect.....and have to earn it.

[Leaver]

12 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Absolutely 100% wrong...think about it rather quoting......Respect everyone automatically...it is called being civilized.....if they misbehave then yes they lose your respect.....and have to earn it.

The problem with your theory is, if they "misbehave" just once, you will be either minus some baht, or plus some injuries, for example. 

 

Pattaya is not exactly "civilized" is it?  

[bwpage3]

Stories like this, what can you say?

 

Maybe western expectations how condo life should be?

 

Not understanding Money is the boss in Thailand and Thai people will break any law for money?

 

I think if someone has the money to operate multiple condo's for rent, they probably have enough to pay off the police.

 

It is a no win situation. It is not the west. Complaining for noise? I cannot see where the police would get out of their chair because no money for them.

 

The worst as many have mentioned, they find out you are the source and take it out on you.

 

Sad to say, it is Thailand. 

 

 

[bwpage3]

Removed duplicate post

 

 

Edited December 6, 2020 by bwpage3

[Surelynot]

11 minutes ago, Leaver said:

The problem with your theory is, if they "misbehave" just once, you will be either minus some baht, or plus some injuries, for example. 

 

Pattaya is not exactly "civilized" is it?  

Ha.....I see your point, but I would always give someone the benefit of the doubt...even if it were for just a few moments.

[Leaver]

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

Ha.....I see your point, but I would always give someone the benefit of the doubt...even if it were for just a few moments.

If you see my point. you really have no argument.

 

"Just a few moments" is all it takes to pick pocket someone, for example.

 

 

[Surelynot]

3 minutes ago, Leaver said:

If you see my point. you really have no argument.

 

"Just a few moments" is all it takes to pick pocket someone, for example.

 

 

Mmmmm..... there seems to be some confusion between suddenly trusting someone I don't know implicitly (no....I never would)....and simply showing them respect in the sense of of not being automatically disrespectful...you see my point?

 

I can show respect to the potential pickpocket on the grounds they might not be a pick pocket, but happy to assume, without evidence, that he/she is a pickpocket.

[Leaver]

21 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Mmmmm..... there seems to be some confusion between suddenly trusting someone I don't know implicitly (no....I never would)...

 

So, everyone "automatically" has your respect, but not your "trust."  Interesting.  How does that work?  

 

 

[Eibot]

On 12/5/2020 at 4:00 PM, Oldie said:

Problem is that there are no good laws against things like noise

If there was, half of the country would be locked up, haha

[impulse]

On 12/5/2020 at 1:55 AM, Card said:

Is it the police, local city hall, tax authorities, hotels association and is there a online link to make the complaint? I very much doubt complaining to the owners would make the slightest difference and it may open me to revenge.

 

I'm pretty sure you're going to do what you're going to do.  But I'd suggest at least finding out who the owners are before filing any complaint.  You may be reporting their bad behavior to their underlings.   If you can do it anonymously, that's safer.  

 

Eons ago, my family moved from inside the city in Chicago to the suburbs.  It was months before we could sleep.  It was way too quiet.

 

[ericthai]

On 12/5/2020 at 4:16 AM, Card said:

Thanks. Very useful. It is not only a report of noise but much more serious  involvement of probable illegal renting and tax avoidance (and immigration reporting when foreign tourists are involved) so I wonder if the authorities would take it more seriously and investigate.

Seems like you are new to Thailand. Things are changing but very very slowly. To tell you the truth, you can file things, call the police etc but the chances of it stopping are almost none. Most police wont do anything unless they can make some money. Most Govt officials dont really care.  We had an issue one day and my wife called 3 different police departments hoping 1 would show up. Not one cop showed up.  

 

This is one of the reasons so many people only believe in renting in Thailand. If you have issues you can move. I wish you luck! Maybe try can get some Thai's involved and get in on a social media page, that seems to get the police to move a little bit!! Good Luck!

[Deli]

On 12/5/2020 at 2:55 PM, Card said:

I live in a condo in Pattaya and overlook a number of local houses which are being rented out for 1-2 nights at a time to large numbers of tourists (often 10-20 per house). Before covid the tourists were usually Chinese or Indians, but since covid they are Thai tourists. I am sure several of the houses are owned by the same person and probably rented through an agent as they do not appear on Airbnb. I would not mind but the noise they create is intolerable most of the day and until very late in the evening.

 

I am asking where I can complain to the local or national authorities as I am sure it is illegal to rent private accommodation for less than 1 month to avoid competition with hotels, which are suffering badly at this time. Is it the police, local city hall, tax authorities, hotels association and is there a online link to make the complaint? I very much doubt complaining to the owners would make the slightest difference and it may open me to revenge.

 

Cry a river at our GF's shoulder and move to a nursing home.

[Natai Beach]

12 hours ago, samsensam said:

if you're the citizen of a particular country it's ok to behave in an anti-social

Having a party isn’t being anti social. 
Wanting to stop a party of 20-40 because one person finds it “annoying” is. 
 

As I said I lived 8 meters from a seven bedroom party house. Probably closer than the OP. I didn’t let it worry me. 
 

i would also like to point out some farangs own and operate party houses and the farang customers can be noisy also. 
 

Complaining about it will get the OP nowhere or maybe even attacked. The way to deal with it is to not let it worry him.
 

[Dagfinnur Traustason]

On 12/5/2020 at 9:35 AM, Card said:

Do you think it would help if I visited City Hall and made a complaint in person?

Yes, of course! Then they can get a photo of you at the same time. Put in in the news, and everyone will know who made the complaints.

 

[ChipButty]

Reporting them could cause you more trouble than it's worth, they might petrol bomb your house

[Rimmer]

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[Oldie]

18 minutes ago, Dagfinnur Traustason said:

Yes, of course! Then they can get a photo of you at the same time. Put in in the news, and everyone will know who made the complaints.

 

My goodness. This discussion here gets to a level... And also people blaming the OP that he can't accept the noise. Give me your address and I will put speakers in front of your home and will make noise like crazy every night. Then I want to hear your statement that you don't care. And noise can be of such a kind that you can't even talk to other people in your rooms anymore. 

 

It is the best not to buy anything at certain locations like Pattaya. It can easily end in a total loss alone because of noise. I have this situation. You might have the noise from the outside but also from other condos if you live in a condominium complex. I could tell you endless stories about endless fights between neighbors. And here in this country there will not be much that you can do. If you live at a place where the local government and the police will help then you will be very lucky. Pattaya doesn't seem to be such a place. 

 

I post this link again where not even a Pattaya village chief had much support. I think this describes the situation here very well. 

 

https://www.pattayamail.com/news/pattaya-village-chief-vows-all-out-assault-on-protected-illegal-najomtien-beach-bar-334186

 

[ChipButty]

I always used to think when looking for somewhere to live is have a drive around late at night any late night music or bars 

[Oldie]

18 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

I always used to think when looking for somewhere to live is have a drive around late at night any late night music or bars 

I have been knowing the place where I live now for more than 20 years. It has been quiet like a graveyard. And so I thought stop renting and buy something. It wasn't long afterwards that the situation changed completely.

 

I just can talk about Pattaya. Here is no guarantee. The only important thing here is to generate new income from tourists. You as owner spent your millions already and so you are not important anymore. Much more money can be generated (by some people) for instance with the entertainment industry. You as homeowner don't have a lobby here. Don't disturb them when they are making money. 

[jomtienisgood]

On 12/5/2020 at 2:55 PM, Card said:

I live in a condo in Pattaya and overlook a number of local houses which are being rented out for 1-2 nights at a time to large numbers of tourists (often 10-20 per house). Before covid the tourists were usually Chinese or Indians, but since covid they are Thai tourists. I am sure several of the houses are owned by the same person and probably rented through an agent as they do not appear on Airbnb. I would not mind but the noise they create is intolerable most of the day and until very late in the evening.

 

I am asking where I can complain to the local or national authorities as I am sure it is illegal to rent private accommodation for less than 1 month to avoid competition with hotels, which are suffering badly at this time. Is it the police, local city hall, tax authorities, hotels association and is there a online link to make the complaint? I very much doubt complaining to the owners would make the slightest difference and it may open me to revenge.

Just invite yourself to the party...555555

[Dagfinnur Traustason]

4 hours ago, Oldie said:

My goodness. This discussion here gets to a level... And also people blaming the OP that he can't accept the noise. Give me your address and I will put speakers in front of your home and will make noise like crazy every night. Then I want to hear your statement that you don't care. And noise can be of such a kind that you can't even talk to other people in your rooms anymore. 

First I would like to thank you for your most kind and very deep explanation about what noise can be. It might come as a surprise for you, but I was aware of that already.

I do not need replies like this. My point with my comment was not that he was complaining over nothing. In that cases I would have replied to the OP:s initial post.

In a comment he was worried about talking to the owner in case of revengeful thinking. Therefore I was out of the opinion that if he visit in person, it could well be something that is delivered to the owners as well. In that case he would be in the same situation he did not wish to be.

I sincerely hope you understand much better now.

Kind Regards, Dagfinnur