UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

[vinny41 2,859]

4 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

we can talk about Erasmus too but I was on the energy market: the UK did loose access?

according to the EU No

On energy, the agreement provides a new model for trading and interconnectivity, with guarantees for open and fair competition, including on safety standards for offshore, and production of renewable energy.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_2531

 

I know you plan to go through each item but can I suggest that if you feel that the UK has been cheated by the EU that you contact President Macron as let him know that's how you feel

[vinny41 2,859]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The withdrawal from Erasmus is mindless vandalism of opportunity for British students and academics.

 

A mind bogglingly stupid thing to do.

As far as I am concerned  the EU Erasmus program is similar to the cult of  the Church of Scientology

[Hi from France 1,336]

7 minutes ago, Aforek said:

Now we can speak of something else, Britain is happy,  EU is happy ( I too, happy to belong to EU )

everybody says that a deal is better that a "no deal ", so, it's ok, " la vie continue " 

Although we did reach a climax, there are still many deals to be made in the coming months/years, we just mentioned the criminal/terrorist database the UK just lost access to (but not before hacking the entire base, not very gentlemanly)

 

... and we can assess the effective fallout from effective brexit end of January, 6 months, 1 year

 

 

..and in 5 1/2 years when the fishing quotas stabilize at 75%, we can expect some kind on "internal market bill" then.

 

 

 

Brexit is a gift that keeps on giving

[Hi from France 1,336]

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

As far as I am concerned  the EU Erasmus program is similar to the cult of  the Church of Scientology

come on!

[Chomper Higgot 35,545]

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

As far as I am concerned  the EU Erasmus program is similar to the cult of  the Church of Scientology

You clearly have no idea what Erasmus is.

 

 

[luckyluke 4,343]

31 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Well another one of your I am unbiased views although your beliefs.

 

You claim to sit on the fence and then pour your one sided opinion. i think it best you avoid replying to my posts because I will continue to show your unbiased views to be biased,

You are of course entitled to interpret my posts as you wish.

If I feel the need to react to your future posts, I will do it.

I hope you will do the same.

After all this is the purpose of a forum.

[bkkcanuck8 3,184]

1 hour ago, Hi from France said:

Ok but still look at the UE summary p2

 

 

 

So basically they reached a trade agreement (hard goods) and most services are left out (services of course includes free movement of labour - so not a great surprise they could not come to an agreement).  The UK runs a trade deficit with Europe - which the UK generally is weaker at.... and a surplus in services (which are now at a disadvantage).   Sure the agreement is better than nothing, but it is also not a great agreement...  Sort of sucks to be a small market trying to negotiate with a much larger market... welcome to the real world UK....

Edited December 25, 2020 by bkkcanuck8

[vinny41 2,859]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You clearly have no idea what Erasmus is.

 

 

More UK students go to the US and Australia than to all 27 EU countries combined

 Commonly thought of as an exchange programme allowing students to study abroad, we lift the lid on this vastly expensive youth indoctrination project.

 

• UK students using Erasmus+ to study abroad : only 9,615
• Non-UK students using Erasmus+ to study in UK : 18,702
• Almost twice as many EU27 students benefit, compared to UK students

• Erasmus+ is “the EU's programme to support education, training, youth and sport in Europe,” says the EU Commission.

  This new version of Erasmus started in 2014, with a 40% increase in funding and a significant increase in its scope. It is now set to double on top of that.

Erasmus funds and “promotes – among other things – good governance, social inclusion, the fight against racism, dual careers, and physical activity for all.”

1/3rd of the budget goes on “partnerships and reforms of the education and youth sectors”

https://facts4eu.org/news/2020_jan_erratic_libdems_on_erasmus#

 

If you choose to have children then you and your partner have  made that lifestyle choice

If you and your partner want to fund your children in further education or university once again that your lifestyle choice so you should fund it not the Uk taxpayer

[baansgr 9,667]

10 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

come on!

No more fictional than you posting with a 2 month old profile....wonder what your other one is...I could hazard a guess between 3 or 4

[Chomper Higgot 35,545]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

More UK students go to the US and Australia than to all 27 EU countries combined

 Commonly thought of as an exchange programme allowing students to study abroad, we lift the lid on this vastly expensive youth indoctrination project.

 

• UK students using Erasmus+ to study abroad : only 9,615
• Non-UK students using Erasmus+ to study in UK : 18,702
• Almost twice as many EU27 students benefit, compared to UK students

• Erasmus+ is “the EU's programme to support education, training, youth and sport in Europe,” says the EU Commission.

  This new version of Erasmus started in 2014, with a 40% increase in funding and a significant increase in its scope. It is now set to double on top of that.

Erasmus funds and “promotes – among other things – good governance, social inclusion, the fight against racism, dual careers, and physical activity for all.”

1/3rd of the budget goes on “partnerships and reforms of the education and youth sectors”

https://facts4eu.org/news/2020_jan_erratic_libdems_on_erasmus#

 

If you choose to have children then you and your partner have  made that lifestyle choice

If you and your partner want to fund your children in further education or university once again that your lifestyle choice so you should fund it not the Uk taxpayer

I see you’ve found Google.

[Laughing Gravy 14,513]

12 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

You are of course entitled to interpret my posts as you wish.

If I feel the need to react to your future posts, I will do it.

I hope you will do the same.

After all this is the purpose of a forum.

It is but I believe in the truth, saying the truth and if making a mistake admitting it.

[bkkcanuck8 3,184]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I see you’ve found Google.

I would be very worried if he was only writing from what he remembered and did not refer to reference materials... Who would remember the number etc. for some  rather obscure program.

[Hi from France 1,336]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

You clearly have no idea what Erasmus is.

yes, I am disappointed at @vinny41

I think you really need to get some information 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/dec/24/uk-students-lose-erasmus-membership-in-brexit-deal

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The omission of Erasmus from the UK-EU deal ends a scheme that had offered student exchanges as well as school links, work experience and apprenticeships across Europe since 1987. Under the latest version of the scheme, Erasmus+, around 200,000 people have taken part including around 15,000 British university students each year.

 

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Adam Tickell, the vice-chancellor of the University of Sussex, said: “Leaving Erasmus is a real sadness, a scheme whose original foundations were laid at Sussex. Over the years the Erasmus programme transformed the lives of thousands of young people.”

 

yep one year in London with Erasmus transformed my life, you can say that. Some here even think I'm British, a thing I find quite flattering 

 

 

 

back on topic: now for the sunlit uplands

 

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Boris Johnson said the UK would instead establish its own scheme with “the best universities in the world”, to be named after the British computing pioneer Alan Turing. (..) “So what we are doing is producing a UK scheme for students to go around the world,” the prime minister said. “It will be called the Turing scheme, named after Alan Turing, so students will have the opportunity not just to go to European universities but to go to the best universities in the world.

this is pure <deleted>, there are many such programs already

 

 

 

and this new program is outbound only: selected UK students will leave and bring their skills to European/world labs, but most importantly no inbound talented students will feed UK higher education and research 

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The new scheme is not expected to fund students coming to the UK, as Erasmus does now, which suggests British universities will miss out on a source of income.

 

 

so this is a recipe for a self "brain drain" the UK will bleed out its best young minds who have received advanced training in the UK...

 

[vinny41 2,859]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I see you’ve found Google.

If free university fees is important to you , you could make another lifestyle choice relocated to Scotland or the EU I think you have to be there for 6 months

 

University is free in Scotland, but only if you're a student from Scotland or the EU. If that's you, you won't pay a penny towards tuition fees at Scottish universities – the Student Awards Agency for Scotland (SAAS) will cover the £1,820 a year for you.

This also means that if you're a Scottish or EU student but you aren't eligible for the fees waiver for whatever reason, you'll still get a much cheaper deal than you would if you studied elsewhere in the UK.

https://www.savethestudent.org/student-finance/finance-system-for-scottish-students.html#:~:text=Is university free in Scotland%3F,-Credit%3A Paramount Pictures&text=University is free in Scotland,1%2C820 a year for you.

 

All found thats to Google 

[vinny41 2,859]

5 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

yes, I am disappointed at @vinny41

I think you really need to get some information 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/dec/24/uk-students-lose-erasmus-membership-in-brexit-deal

 

 

yep one year in London with Erasmus transformed my life, you can say that. Some here even think I'm British, a thing I find quite flattering 

 

 

 

back on topic: now for the sunlit uplands

 

this is pure <deleted>, there are many such programs already

 

 

 

and this new program is outbound only: selected UK students will leave and bring their skills to European/world labs, but most importantly no inbound talented students will feed UK higher education and research 

 

 

so this is a recipe for a self "brain drain" the UK will bleed out its best young minds who have received advanced training in the UK...

 

I see the EU had grand plans to double the budget of their Erasmus program  from 14.7 billion euros to 30 billion wonder the EU was keen that the UK  to retain Erasmus membership.

As everyone knows the EU never reduces its budget or scales back it grandeur plans even when they lose a major player  so I guess the remaining 27 members will have to pick up the extra cost

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/budget-may2018-erasmusplus_en_0.pdf